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So I'm Jenna. 1:21 I was formerly XRPJenna, 'cause I used to be an XRP maxi. Now I'm Jenna X because, you know, you gotta expand your brand. So you're chain agnostic, right? I am. Okay. 1:31 'Cause you don't wanna miss those opportunities- Mm... when you meet so many people and... Um, so anyway, I do crypto [audio cuts out] since '17. And now I actively work for a DAO on the XRPL called ZaoDAO. 1:49 And yeah, we're really building community with that because that's all about the builders, the community, and trying to actually create value, um, for XRP, you know what I mean, versus just the institutional side of it. 2:01 So- Mm-hmm... we're focused on retail and how we can better our lives and how we can come together. So that's my biggest focus right now, giving them a voice. Yeah. So that's where I'm focusing all of my energy. Awesome. 2:11 So you're a big believer in DAOs it sounds like. Absolutely. And you know Meet Denver, the DAO. Absolutely. Structured like a DAO with Sporked. We're all technically members once we get that ticket. Exactly. 2:21 So talk to me about, um, why do you like DAOs so much, and, uh, I guess why you're bullish and why should everyone else be bullish on them? 2:29 Because I feel like it's really important that we live our lives that other people can't essentially bully us with government [audio cuts out] right to come together to make our own decisions- Mm-hmm... 2:40 where our voice matters. Mm-hmm. And I think we need to protect that at all costs. Mm. I love that. I love that. So how do you, you mentioned before about onboarding retail. 2:50 That's part of your, um, service with the ZaoDAO. Yeah. So how are you doing that, um, practical application? Okay. So first of all, it's hard. It's a lot harder- [laughs] It is. It is. So that's why I'm asking. Yeah... 3:01 when you want to find 1,000 visionaries, okay- Mm... to start this. Oh, is that your goal? First we're gonna start it with 1,000- Okay. Mm-hmm... because we have this thing where we don't want whales- Right... 3:10 to be able to come in and bully everyone. Right. We don't want anyone to have more than 0.1% or the 0.6% of the voting power. Right. And so only use XRP for token. We don't use a [audio cuts out] 3:23 But it's hard to explain that as a community we have everything. We have our app, it's super easy. We're connected with Xahmin Wallet, Bifrost Wallet, and we'll add more and more- Mm... as the community votes on it. 3:38 But as you know, you have to start somewhere. Every integration, everything like that does cost money. Mm-hmm. But we're starting there. 3:45 So anyway, with the Xahmin Wallet we have a super low barrier for entry of $10 USD, one time- That's so low... lifetime membership. That's so low. You mint your membership NFT, it's in your wallet forever. Wow. Yes. 3:56 And if you KYC to it, you can receive profits if our DAO's profitable, et cetera. Nice. If we run a loss, we're LLC'd out of Wyoming so it doesn't hurt the members, nothing like that. Nice. Smart. 4:06 So they've thought it through. Yeah. Okay. So we're at 800 members. We just need to go off to centralized governance, and I've already started reading some of the proposals that are coming in, and it's super awesome. 4:16 And it's all about the builders and trying to get the funding that Ripple promised. Mm-hmm. They promised $1 billion. Where is it? How do we get that? 4:24 And we want these builders to be heard because, like, if you starve them out, our ecosystem will die. Mm. And they're making it very hard. 4:33 So as a community we're hoping that we make enough of a splash, enough of an impact with our wallets together. I absolutely love that. You said that so eloquently. Oh, thank you. 4:42 [laughs] I just wanna say it sounds like you've been a communicator for quite a long time, Jenna. I'm passionate about it. [laughs] It sounds like it. Before crypto, take me back. 4:49 How did you learn how to communicate so effectively? Oh my gosh. I don't know. I think it's because I'm short and I just got used to just, like, having to really stand up for myself. [laughs] You and me both, Jenna. 5:00 You and me both. And yell and use my voice. Sorry. That's incredible. And now I realize I don't have to yell- Yeah... and stomp my feet. Good. I can communicate a little more effectively these days. Yeah. But- Yeah... 5:09 yeah, no. Did you go to school for this? College? No. Okay. Did you study communications or business school or? So I, I am a college dropout. Nice. Even better. [laughs] I then went to beauty school. Oh, beauty school. 5:20 Okay. Like a beau- then I was a beauty school dropout. Okay. I went to college, to beauty school- There we go... and then I found myself in the Air Force. Oh, Air Force. Okay. Because I needed some structure in my life. 5:27 Mm. And then Jenna decided that was too much structure. Oh, okay. And this is why this centralized thing works for me. Oh, I see. Okay. And after the Air Force- Yeah... 5:36 um, I went back to beauty, uh, started my own business. My parents- Yeah... like my mom, I grew up in her salon she had. Mm-hmm. And my grandmother had a salon, and- Ah... my pop had an army store. 5:45 So I grew up with that entrepreneurial spirit- I love that. Oh... and how to just start something. Mm-hmm. And once you create that independence for yourself, it's just like you can't tell me nothing. I love that. 5:55 I love that. [laughs] I abs- No, i- it's, it's that, uh, tenacity. Yeah. Right? Yeah. And it, it's like you gotta put in the work- Yeah... but you don't mind because you're building something for yourself. Exactly. 6:05 And then- You're not building something for others. Yeah. Love that. And I still have my beauty biz- Mm-hmm... but the thing is, like- I, I don't wanna be behind a chair all day. 6:13 I want to be able to take my work wherever I go. Remotely. And that's why I love the crypto space. Mm. And finding all of these different opportunities, 'cause you could travel. 6:24 Realize that you can bust out the matrix and- You can... think bigger, you know? You can. You're a digital nomad, essentially- Yes... right? So you can just- Nomad it... travel remote. Go anywhere in the world, right? 6:32 Yes. And it's honestly, I feel like crypto's almost better outside the US than it is inside- Oh, yeah... in a lot of ways, right? Yes. Yeah. If I move to Costa Rica and I just, like, open up- Love that... 6:42 the doors and you're sitting there and still working from your laptop. Mm-hmm. Like, this can be done. It's just, like, you just gotta believe in yourself. Yeah. But I think- Vision. Vision... 6:50 I think it's hard when, um... Like, I come from a very small town. Really? So, yeah. What town? Where are you from? I'm from... Okay. [laughs] You... It's- Since, since karate combat, already outed me. [laughs] Oh, wow. 7:00 'Cause they dox you for that. Yeah. I'm from South Central Pennsylvania. No way. So, yeah. So there's- You do not strike me as a Pennsylvania... Wow. I am a, but- Okay... I am a PA girl. PA girl. Yeah. From what city? 7:11 What town? Okay. Um, I'm from Chambersburg, so it is... Yes, it is- Where is that?... literally... Uh, exactly. [laughs] That... My friend, that's what I'm telling you. [laughs] Where is that? Is that near Pittsburgh? 7:21 Is it or- No. Okay. So-... like, Philadelphia? Like- Um, Harrisburg. Harrisburg. Okay An hour south. An hour south of Harrisburg. Okay. I know where Harrisburg is. Yes Right above the Maryland border. Oh. Yeah. Maryland. 7:30 Okay. So it's, the living's easy, but the problem is- Oh... I find it difficult because- You do not have an accent. Really? I don't think so. People say thank you. Yeah. Cool. I'll take it. Sure. Sorry. 7:39 No, it's a compliment. Go ahead. I mean, I think when I get around my family, like, a little bit of the twine comes out. Oh, it comes out. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. But, but you, you don't sound... Yeah. 7:46 You definitely, um- I don't sound like a bumpkin?... have traveled. Well traveled. [laughs] You're well traveled. There we go. We'll keep it that, like, well traveled. All right. Okay. Yeah. I appreciate it. 7:53 Yeah, but Pennsylvania. Yeah. I don't... You don't strike me. It's so weird. Yeah. 'Cause I met a Jersey girl, and she definitely has an accent. Oh, Jersey. No, you know. Jersey. You know. 8:01 You know when they're from Jersey. Yeah, yeah. But, man. The Dito. That's so interesting, though, the whole Pennsylvania. Yeah. 8:07 But, but I, I assume you, you know, right after dropping out college, you went to go travel the world and- I wanted to get out... do your thing. Yeah. I wanted to break free because I just- Right... 8:16 needed to get away from things that just were no longer serving you. For, like- Right... they're not serving me. Right. I need to go out. I need to explore. Right. And when you do, when you leave that safe space- Mm... 8:26 and you see what else is out there, you gain inspiration and you- Tell me more about your travels. Where have you been? Okay. All right. Where have you been? Oh, my goodness. This sounds fun. Okay. [laughs] Okay. 8:37 So first time- Yeah... traveling, um, was in the Air Force. Okay. I went to... Okay. So I'm this crazy teenager, and I'm like- Mm... "I need to get some direction in my life." Yeah. 8:45 And I put down, like, on your dream list all these places. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I put Ramstein, Germany, thinking, "They'll never send me there." Mm-hmm. "I hope they send me to Florida," you know? Right. [laughs] No. 8:53 They sent me to Germany. I got my orders and I was like- Wow... "Oh, shit. What do I do now? I've never left home." Right. Like, "What am I gonna do?" Right. It was a bit chaotic. Right. Um, but went there. I loved it. 9:05 It, such a vibe. Mm. They close down at 1:00. Right. They have beer trucks in the street. Mm. I mean, they're back. Yeah. They don't really have freezers, which we have almost all of our food in. Mm. Yeah. 9:16 So everything's super fresh. Oh. Yeah. Makes sense. You want shit to be fresh. You're hot here. Yes, yes. Of course. Um- Always... so- Health is wealth... Europe's cool. 9:23 [laughs] I took it for granted a little bit, 'cause I partied so much back then- Yeah... 'cause you're young. Right. Of course. You can go see the castles. Everything's so classy in Europe. I hear Germany's a vibe, too. 9:31 It is. Like, they love house music, techno, all that stuff. Such a vibe. You know, always partying. Yeah. Oh, the discos? Yeah, disco. Okay. So 2008- Disco tech. Yeah... when I was there, and Lady Gaga- [gasps]... 9:39 like, it was the thing, so- No way. No way... you're gonna, like, love- Oh my- Oh my God, loved him... you saw Lady Gaga live? Everything. Like, that was 2008. It was when she was doing So Big with Poker Face- Right... 9:48 and everything. That was the come up, yeah. Yeah. No one loved her more than Europe, I'm telling you. Oh, I bet. Oh my God. Such a vibe. Yes. She still is, but you know. I loved it. Yeah. I love Gaga. 9:56 I love, I love Mother Monster. So you saw her live there- Yes... in Germany? Yes. Wow. So- That's incredible... then what else? Okay. Mm. 10:04 No, my favorite though performance was last year in the sphere, because I got to see the Backstreet Boys. No way. Yes. Live. No way. In a sphere, and it was amazing. That's... Oh my God. That is what I use my crypto for. 10:14 I'm jealous. Oh my God. Live entertainment, live music. You've never seen so many yelling moms. Oh, I bet. Oh my gosh. Our hearts were melting. Heartthrobs. Oh my. It was amazing. That's, that's lit. I'm jealous. 10:24 [laughs] Right? I'm so jealous. They still got it. I'm so fanboying right now. [laughs] I'm like, "That's important to me." Kevin looks so good. Oh, I bet. He aged- Yeah?... the best. Like a fine wine, right? 10:34 Like [censored]. Yes. [laughs] It's really impressive. Oh. [laughs] You're so funny. You're so funny, Jen. 10:42 Um, [laughs] uh, other places you've traveled that you've experienced that you're like, "Hey, I crossed this off my bucket list. It's amazing." Okay. But you need to go there, too. Costa Rica. Costa Rica. Okay. 10:51 Obviously. I've been there four times. I wanna go back. Okay. I wanna live there. But it, it's like any other beach town, isn't it? No, I think it's unique. Okay. But, like- There's like- What's so different? 10:58 The living's easy. Okay. Okay. So for, like- Yeah... 400K in Costa Rica, I can get a gorgeous home on the beach, live my best life. Wow. And, you know- Easy... or I can pick a development in Chambersburg- Right... 11:11 with all these people surrounding me I don't even like. Right. No. That, that doesn't sound like a good exchange. I, I need the vibes. Yeah. No. Yeah. And living's easy. Yeah. 11:18 Everybody just has that really chill attitude. I love it. Mm. So much to do. Love the culture. Love that. But I also love Belize. I've been there. Belize. Yes. We just hiked the ruins- Okay... 11:28 last summer, and we went and it was absolutely amazing. Mayan ruins. Oh my God. And I was so scared, 'cause I'm- Really?... scared of heights, and you have to go up- Yeah... these stairs. Oh. 11:37 Let me tell you, coming down the stairs- Oh, I bet that was scary... yeah, I had to go down on my butt- Oh my-... the whole way. Oh, really? Separate like a child going down the steps. Oh my gosh. Yes. Okay. 11:46 And the tour guide's like, "Jen, be-" Yeah. Well, he was like, "Are you pretty much sure?" I was like- Yeah... "Well, I'm just terrified, but yeah, sure." [laughs] Oh my God. He's like [laughs] Funny. What? 11:59 [laughs] So as I'm down- As you, as you're like- On my butt just ever so- On your butt just ever so slowly, but you made it down. [laughs] I did. I did. 12:06 That kind of reminds me of, well, I've never been, but I've seen photos, Peru. Okay. Yes. Right? With the whole, like, the, the ruins- Yes. Bucket list... they have over there. 12:13 And I've heard it's just spectacular once you- Yeah... get up top, but it's so hard to get up there. Yeah. Like, it's really difficult- Yeah... once you get to the ruins in Peru, right? And you're like- Yeah... 12:22 once you get there, it's a vibe. Mm-hmm. But then I heard it's really hard getting down. Really hard for- Yeah... like, if you're not, like, fit- Oh... it's, it's a, it's a struggle. I guarantee. You gotta be fit. Yeah. 12:32 For sure. And luckily for me, I'm coming off of these fights and training. Wait, wait, wait. So I'm still in shape. You've been training? Well, I did. I had to do fights. You did fights. 12:38 I was in Singapore last year and the year before. What are you fighting? Um. What are you fighting for? So Young Snack, I fought her- Okay... in IFC. Okay. So we did that two years ago in Singapore. 12:48 What kind of fighting are we talking about? UFC or what? MMA. MMA? Yeah, we were in there. You, you do MMA? Yeah. Well, it- What? We tried our best. We were in there, we were giving it our heart. Damn. 12:57 We need to run back that video. We do. It was fun. How did you get into MMA now? We, we gotta jump into this. Okay. So randomly- Okay... um, I get a message from Cryptos R Us- Yeah... 13:05 and they had just started, um, Influencer Fight Club. Okay. And he was like, "Hey Jenna, you know, do you wanna fight someone?" [laughs] And I'm like, "LOL, no." Yeah. Like, I've never- Like physically fight... 13:15 fought anything. Okay. Yeah. And he's like- Wow... "Yeah, but it could be really fun." And then I saw Bitboy do it- Oh, that's right... and I was like- Yeah... if he did it, I can- I can do it. I can do this, right? 13:28 [laughs] I can definitely do it. [laughs] Funny. [laughs] Uh-huh. Oh, God, Jenna, you're a vibe right now. Yeah. Okay. So you started training. Trained so fucking hard. Just because of Bitboy. 13:36 He, Bitboy can do it- Yeah... I can do it. Yes. So you just started training. Yeah, four months. And how long did it take you to train before your first fight? They only gave us four months. Okay. 13:43 And then so- That's quick. That's quick... Young Snack trained for a couple month- Yes, and this was our first fight, right? Okay. No spar, no nothing. Fair, fair, yeah. They throw us in this pit- [laughs]... 13:51 and the moment before you jump in, I'm like- Mm-hmm... fucked did I get myself into? Right. Right? Right. You're just like... And you just jump in there and- Okay... you just start swinging and doing whatever you can. 14:02 She pinched my boob, pulled my shirt. Oh my God. Like, it's like... I know. Oh my. I told her- That sounds very physical... it was crazy. [laughs] What, what was going through your head as you were, like, doing this? 14:12 It's life or death, it's her or me, and I am not going down, and I knew she was taller than me. She's like- Oh, see, she had the height advantage already... five, yes, and the reach. Yeah, and the reach. 14:20 And I was like- Like, how do you do that? Get her lower or what? Like- You just char- no, I charged her like a bull. Okay. I was like- Yeah, there you go... 14:26 ooh, and I just ran her into the side of the walls- There you go... and just tried to get on top of her. Okay. Like, that was my take downs. Take downs. Yeah, 'cause my striking- Fast as you could... was weak. Right. 14:33 And I did get a couple knee kicks in- Yeah... which really helped me push her back a little. Mm-hmm. 14:38 But it was one of those things where I'm like, kicked her, I'm like, "Oh, it worked," but instead of, like, following right up, I'm just like, "Wow." Wow. Yes. It's like- Now how did the fight go? Did you win? 14:46 I won, yeah. Wow. I won. Yes. That's incredible. I did. Congrats. Yes. And then you did it again. Okay. I did it again for Crypto Fight Night. Okay. And- And who did you fight? Who's your second fight? Lawn Broker. 14:55 Lawn Broker, okay. Okay. And- I don't know who that is, but she sounds hard... yeah. Oh, she is. Listen- Uh-huh... she's a baddie. Okay. She is. Bet. She's super cool. She's a really good opponent. Okay. 15:03 She kicked my ass this time. I got TKO'd. Oof. It was the first time I've ever been TKO'd. Yikes. Yeah, I didn't even know what to expect. How did it feel? It hurt. I bet. Yeah. Yeah. 15:12 So I got hit to the back of the head and- Ooh... and so you're not supposed to do that. It's, it's... Yeah, I was gonna say- But-... it didn't sound like you're supposed to do that. Yeah... but it wasn't intentional. 15:20 Yeah. We were just both wildly swinging- Okay, fair... for our lives. Sure, sure. And so it's boxing, right? Right. This isn't take downs, it's, and I can't kick her. Sure. 15:30 So we're just in there swinging like crazy, just- I need to see these videos... the technique was not there. [laughs] This sounds wild right now. But the heart, the heart. Yeah. I, I am blown away. 15:42 Do you act like you've never seen these? I've never seen these fights. Oh, you've got to look them up. You, you... Okay, after this, we- you're gonna show me. This is a whole production. Yeah. 15:47 Crypto Fight Night, like, the production. I had no idea. Oh my God. This is, this is blowing my mind. Yeah. And the- I had no idea you were, like-... this face off... in the ring fighting. They're heated. Oh. 15:55 Man, I, I have so much more respect for you now. Thank you. Like, that is amazing. Yeah. Like, that is huge. I mean, it takes a lot. I've never fought in my life, so I'm just like, "Whoa." Right. 16:02 Like, what you did is huge, and in front of the public- Fair... in front of an audience. Yes. On top of that. Why not, though? That's the thing. Why not? [laughs] Like, am I gonna die? No. Right. Right, sure. 16:12 When am I gonna get this opportunity to go to Singapore for free- That's cool... and travel- Okay. Okay, fair... go to these crypto events- Yeah... and- When you, when you put it like that, come on. 16:19 [laughs] And I got myself in shape. Yeah, and you got in shape. And I have anger, and I... When you get in there- You do have anger? Yes. You have anger issues. Yes, that's why I fight. Oh, I didn't know that. 16:28 And, like, and train- Okay... and work out a lot. I didn't know you had anger issues. Yeah, I- We'll have to talk about that. Yeah... I've always been an angry individual. But- Why not? [laughs] It sounds deep. 16:35 I wanna go deep with you here. It is deep. I don't know. Come on. Yeah. Why, why are you angry? I think it, I think it comes from trauma. Like society or what? Oh, trauma. Yeah. And- Trauma through what? 16:43 Like childhood trauma or- Like, yeah... okay. Life? But I think so long as you're unfucked [censored] up is the point. Mm. And then when you start to find healthy ways and you reflect- Yeah... 16:51 and just own your shit- Yeah... and then realize- Mm-hmm... that we have to correct that inside of us and heal that inside of us- Right... before we can help other people and love other people and things. Mm. 17:01 You know, I'm gonna figure it out. You know, step by step. I don't, I don't feel a lot of anger from you right now. [laughs] I find, I find a lot of peace and joy and happiness. [laughs] So it's like- But-... 17:10 it's hard for me to rationalize my mind that you have anger issues, you know? I wish my ex was listening. I'm like- He'll tell you otherwise. [laughs] I'm sure, I'm sure. Where is he at? 17:18 Well, he knows you a lot better than I do, so- He's like-... I'm sure he can-... she's a little angry chihuahua sometimes. [laughs] Really? Yeah. Oh my God. And I'm like- Speaking of dogs, do you have a chihuahua? 17:26 No, I have a pit bull- Okay... and a Doberman. Of course you would have a pit bull. Okay. Yeah. I feel you there. Yep. They are my babies. Aw. I like- I love that. Yeah. I love that. No cats, so you're a dog person. 17:35 Uh, I actually took in a cat. Oh, okay. He is the spawn of Satan. Yeah, I love it. But- Okay, tell me more. Yeah, no. [laughs] I, I took this [laughs] fluffy nightmare. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I bet. 17:47 I took him in two years ago- Yeah... off the streets. Yeah. He's fluffy. Okay. He doesn't belong outside. Right, right. He was matted, flea-ridden, skinny. Mm-hmm. Okay? So we took him in. Yeah. 17:57 This MF, after we got the pit bull, like, he just was so spiteful. And you know cats like to mark, they like to I love him. Aw. Yeah, but Turd- What kind of cat? 18:09 He's a fluffy one It's the fluffy, long-haired He's a gray, fluffy one. Yeah... all, all gray. Okay. He's like- All gray, fluffy. Okay... he hates me, and I know it, but, like, what do I do? I, I love him. 18:17 But, but he loves you at the same time. He does. He's so- Yeah, it's a love-hate relationship He's so good... that's what I notice with a lot of cats. Yeah. You know, dogs, doesn't matter. No. 18:23 They always love you unconditionally. So different... but they're so needy all the time. Love me, love me. But cats, you know, they're like- [laughs]... "Oh, love me a little bit. Okay, okay, I'm good." 18:31 And then they run away, right? Yeah. And then they do their own thing, and then they come back just for the food and just for the, you know, the little pets- Yeah... and then that's it, you know? 18:37 So it's so interesting 'cause I grew up with dogs, right? Yeah. And then I just got a cat myself over COVID. My little, um, I call her, she's my black magical cat, Stella. Aw. And I got her during COVID, raised her. 18:48 I was stuck at home- Yeah... getting paid to literally not do anything, and my ex was like, "Hey, you want this cat?" And I was like, "Sure." 18:54 I'm one of these owners, you know, so I was like, I, I, I basically raised her from kitten when she had these- Yeah... nice, beautiful blue eyes. Beautiful. Now she's got these beautiful shade of emerald green eyes. 19:04 I'll have to show you later, but she's been my best friend. She's my emotional support animal, like- That's awesome... and I love cats. I volunteer at a cat cafe close to where I live. Do you? I do. I do. 19:12 I love that so much. So, and I've done social media content for them. I fricking built- Yeah... like, the president is from New York, and she's an amazing lady as well. 19:19 And I, I, all that to say, like, being a cat daddy has its perks. [laughs] That's all I'm saying. That's all I'm saying, Jenna. So- I believe that. I believe that. Uh, it's just- I'm sure the chicks dig it... 19:26 you connect with people. Oh, oh my God, yes. [laughs] Yes, that. That on top of cats too. Yeah. 'Cause they know other cat people too. They do. 19:35 They sense you, and I've had so many great interactions on, on my runs and stuff. I do marathons and whatever, so it's like when I see these stray cats, they're automatically very friendly. They just come up to me. 19:43 Really? They pet, you know, and- Yeah... 'cause, you know, there's always stray cats around everywhere, right? Yeah, they're always there. Yeah, they're always hanging out, but that's the thing. 19:49 That's, they like it, right? Yeah. They don't need anyone, right? Like, they get food when they get it, and then they sleep- Yeah... when they want. I'm like, man, I wish life was like this. But- I know... 19:57 going back to animals, going back to, like, even, even when you're connecting with people, you can almost sense, like, their inner animal, right? Yeah. Animal spirit. So- Oh, yes. For sure. 20:06 Yeah, so I was like, automatically, I was like, she's definitely a dog person. I already know that. [laughs] But, but at the same time, I think she's just a big animal lover- I do... because that's what I'm- I love them. 20:14 Yeah, I love that- Yes... about you. So it's like, walk me through, you know, past your, your, your love for animals, your love for crypto, what else do you fall in love with or, or that you're passionate about? 20:25 You know, boxing, you know, it sounds like fighting. Boxing, sure. And, and do you kind of, like, take this love a- and, like, build over your anger issues with it? Is it like this, like, you know what I'm saying? 20:34 Because since you have anger issues- Yeah... but, but I feel like you're so passionate and you, you have a lot of love as well. Thank you. Do you feel like that kind of, like, balances you out? Absolutely. Yeah. 20:42 'Cause, I mean, you can have anger, but, I mean, it's all in how you manage it. Mm. You know what I mean? Right. Um, but, like, how you helped with the cat cafe and you like to volunteer- Mm-hmm... 20:51 I would volunteer at an animal shelter- Oh, beautiful... um, and walk the dogs, and I'd like to get out the dogs that nobody wanted. Okay. But growing up- Yeah, yeah... my friends were animals. 20:59 So I'm super introverted, right? Like I- No, you're not. Yes. No, you're not. No, I, I am. [laughs] You cannot- It takes a lot to get me out at these events. You- Really? Well, I'm honored. No, I- I'm honored. 21:10 Thank you for being here. [laughs] Yeah, I, I walked into this convention yesterday, right? Yeah, yeah, I bet. I spent, I walked around for, like, 20 minutes- Yeah... 21:18 and I went to the zen room and spent three hours in there. I know. In the zen room. Did you trip on the mushrooms too? Okay. Did you? So let me tell you. Please tell me. These conferences are like no other, okay? 21:26 [laughs] Yes, I know. It's an amazing experience. [laughs] So I wake up, I go over- Mm-hmm... to the oxygen. I, I'm breathing in my peppermint oxygen. Oh. She's great. And oh, she's great. I love her. Yeah. 21:35 And she's like, "I hear guys- Yeah... talking about mushrooms," and, like, they sell mushrooms there. I'm like, "Yeah, I just died and went back." No, they don't necessarily sell. 21:40 They will give you the mushrooms for free. Yes. It's amazing. [laughs] And so, um, I go over there, and he has chocolate bars. Yep. And I'm like, "I'll take a couple of these." Oh my God. 21:48 And then they tell me about Meow Wolf. Mm-hmm. Let me tell you what. Oh my God. You didn't, did you? It was amazing. The chocolate bars were amazing. You couldn't even tell it was a mushroom. Right. 21:57 It was the most amazing experience and so fun in there. Did you go to Meow Wolf? Last night I did, yes. [laughs] Did you not love it? It was amazing. Yes, during the Doge event, yes. Yes. Yeah, yeah. It was so fun. 22:07 The music, the free swag- Yeah... the people. Dude, it was all a vibe. Yes. Free drinks and- Yes... you experienced me and Aussie, actually. Yeah, we walked. We did the whole tour. Yeah. Yeah. 22:16 And we were just commenting. I was like, "Man, we should've been on mushrooms when we did this, bro. It would've been way trippier." [laughs] Yes. So tell me your experience when you're doing Meow Wolf- I-... 22:23 as you're on shrooms. [laughs] Yeah, I enjoyed it so much more I think because- Yeah... I stopped- Did it open you up? What did you, what did you find? I, I stopped drinking alcohol a while back. Oh, good. Right? 22:31 So- It, it's poison anyway. You don't want that shit. [laughs] It is. [laughs] But I got to experience it just on shrooms, so I found my first- Yeah. Okay, okay, okay. 22:37 Okay, so my opponent for my first fight, Lil Snack- Okay. Okay... or Young Snack. Young Snack. What a name. She and I became friends. [laughs] Just saying, just saying. And so she- Continue... 22:45 she met me there- Okay, bet, bet... last night. Okay. And I'm like, "Hey, I have this chocolate. Do you wanna have some?" And she's like, "Yeah." [laughs] So we just- Yeah... we eat it. [laughs] Wait, wait, wait. 22:53 Did she tell you what kind of chocolate it was? Did she? No. Oh, I told her. I told her. Oh, okay, okay, okay. It was special chocolate. Okay, okay, okay. I just wanna make sure. I cannot, I cannot sell her. All right. 23:00 Full transparency. Gotta be like, "We'll be fair." [laughs] So she and I go in, and we just go on this magical adventure. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And- Cool... it was, what was really cool- Yeah... 23:08 so, like, I was over there for a while. Did you go into the room with the black and white that was... Yes. We sat in there for, like, an hour. Oh my God. Right? Just staring. 23:16 No, no, it felt like an hour, but I bet it was, like, five minutes. [laughs] We were melting into the wall, and we got this br- Yeah... like, really grand idea, and we're like, "It would be fucking, let's just free. 23:26 Let's just- Oh, fun... become one with the exhibit- Fun. Yeah... and just start, and people would be like, "No, we don't want it in here." 23:30 [laughs] And then they'd be like, "Yeah, it's really cool," or they'd just stare at us, so we'd try not to, like... Oh my God. That's so funny. It was so fun. Freaking people out. [laughs] Yes. Yes. 23:38 Like, who are these crazy women? Like- Yes. Yes... oh. But it was just, it was, like, everything's- That's a vibe... so heightened. It was so fun. Yeah. Good. 23:44 But then so many people try to come up to you, and the- Yeah... this is my first experience of being known when I go. It's so weird. Like, I'm sitting there, and I just wanna- Oh, they, they knew who you were... 23:53 quiet and peacefully enjoy my trip, right? Yeah, yeah. But then people are, "Are you Jenna? You're Jenna," and I'm like- Oh, snap... we gotta hide, but the cool thing is there's so many different rooms there. Right. 24:02 You can just run to the next one and hide. Oh, bet, bet. [laughs] And then run to the next one and hide. And the snack's like, "You got so many eyes," so then it became exhausting toward the end. Yeah. 24:10 We felt like we almost had to hide- Oh, okay... from people. So, but the beginning part was really fun, but then- Yeah... the damn influencers moved in- Oh, damn influencers... 24:17 and they started setting up cameras everywhere. Oh, I hate that. And we're like, "We don't wanna be on TikTok right now," and I'm like[laughs] Emma- Damn influencers... they ruined everything. I know. How dare they. 24:30 [laughs] They ruined everything. Trying to have a good time here. I know. You know, what the- I'm just trying to drink my face off in peace. Right. But no, it was a great time. That's amazing. 24:39 Would, would totally do it again. Do it again. All right. Oh, yes. All right. So Meow Wolf was a vibe. Definitely a vibe. Yeah. [laughs] You had to have been there. Of course. We'll go back. Of course. 24:48 Technically it was my second time at Meow Wolf. Okay. My sis- so my sister's based here. She's native, or she lives here, so she took me last year for the first time to Meow Wolf, and it was, it w- it was a vibe. Yeah. 24:59 Yeah. I loved it. So yesterday I was kind of like the same thing because I'd been already, but it was different because, you know, I went with people I haven't been to before. Yeah. 25:06 And just, yeah, it was a different vibe because they're all crypto people. Yeah. You know? So at the same time, we kind of all knew each other because I'm like, "Eh, I've seen at Denver." 25:13 So I had another side event, you know? So it almost felt like this community experience. Yeah, it was. You know? It definitely was. Which was amazing. I love that. Yeah. 25:21 And I'm like, how do you bring that to your community? Because you're basically a community builder, right- Yeah... in this space. So, you know, nice segue, uh, [laughs] 25:30 how are you doing that through XaoDAO, through the people that you're connecting online? Because, you know, it's so much harder- Mm... to try to build community online, even more than ever since AI. And we- Right... 25:40 we could get into that with AI- Ugh... 'cause everything is so fake now- It is... it feels like. It is. And it's all generative. Yeah. And it's like that's why these IRL events are so important. But talk- So important... 25:49 but talk me through about, yeah, your community-building experience. So it's, it wasn't as easy as I thought, but at the same point, we didn't pay influencers to go out and shill it. Mm. Started with a smaller 26:01 couple of advisors on it because the thing is, um, while it's decentralized, you have to have a small core group that's planting the seed to get it started. Mm. Um, so when I realized... 26:11 Actually, what happened is our X account had gotten hacked, and so- Yours too? Oh my G- Not mine... oh... the XaoDAO one. Oh my God. Um, yeah. It, it happens to everyone. And it was through an AI thing. 26:21 We had an AI video, and they sent us this thing about, um- Oh... oh- You hit a link?... there's a copyright problem. You need to click this right now. See? It looked like it was from Twitter. Clicked the link. 26:29 I didn't click it. See? It was somebody on the team clicked it. Oh my God. So now we got it back and whatever. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No. 26:33 Um, but the thing was during that time, waiting on X to give us that account back was a nightmare. Yep. It was like two months, and we have a gold check- Oh, it took you two months? Oh... with a gold check that, yeah. 26:42 That's ridiculous. And we're an LLC company. The customer service is supposed to be a big- Awful. Awful. Elon is f-ed up. I know. I know. But I was like, "Okay, this is it. We are a DAO." Yeah. 26:51 "We don't need an X account. This is bigger than this." You don't. So I'm like- Mm-hmm... "Okay, listen, guys. Um, I'm gonna host Twitter spaces. We need to take shit into our own hands." Right. 26:59 "So if you are a member, please join." Right. "We'll figure things out together, but we've got to keep trucking along." Yes. So that turned into a regular Thursday space. Um- Oh, good... 27:07 and then I've just started to meet people from different communities, and then I have started to meet people from different DAOs- Oh... and learn and understand what they're doing. Interesting. 27:15 And the biggest thing we're working on now, and you have to understand what people, where they're at- Mm-hmm... what their goals are, and- Yep... and align, aligns, right? Right. 27:25 And so, um, we're working, how are, do we become self-sustaining? What are we building? Who do we have around us that we don't need a huge treasury to get started? Yeah. We have everything we need here. Right. 27:35 And that's why you do contracts. That's why, and people don't understand the business side of it. Right. 27:39 So the more we can just explain to people how this could work can open their eyes, and I just keep meeting different... You can't be stuck in an echo chamber. Right. You have to go out. I'm an XRP fan, but I- Mm-hmm... 27:52 also appreciate everything Ethereum. Like- Mm-hmm... we didn't have smart contract capabilities, but now we have the EVM side chain. That's huge for us. It gives us so many more opportunities to build on the XRPL, right? 28:02 That's true. So, I mean, you go out though, and you see Avalanche for gaming and all these different people, it inspires you. Yeah. You're like, "How can we work together? What can we learn from each other?" 28:11 Yeah, because once you work together, you accomplish- Absolutely... so much more, so much faster. Absolutely. And it's that team-building experience- Exactly... that you need within your own community- Yes... 28:20 to build something really meaningful and sustainable. But the biggest thing is it's just a $10 one-time membership fee, right? That's nothing. That's nothing. It's, it's pocket change, but you have a community. Mm-hmm. 28:31 Right. Building in the bear during these markets, let's be real- Yes... times are hard right now. We're giving you- Huge... a community, and we're here together. Right. 28:37 And to me, that's absolutely worth it and to give you a place where we... each other, at least you're not alone. You have a friend. My door's always open. Right. Like, we're here. So I think that's what it's all about. 28:48 We just have to keep spreading that message, and more people just have to wanna talk about it, or it's not gonna work. Right. But I'm gonna keep trying. You're- I believe in it... I think you're doing an amazing job. 28:58 [laughs] I, I feel the conviction in your voice, Jenna. Thank you. No, seriously. I've never felt this strongly about something. Yeah. 29:03 And I just think that we need a voice, and I didn't expect to be in a position of a leader of the one talking about it. Right. Right. But no one else was. And I don't wanna let the idea die. 29:12 Like, we have a really big opportunity. If we don't take it, we're gonna lose. Exactly. Well, consistency is key. Yeah. Exactly. And the content is king, right? Exactly. 29:18 So it's like having the consistency in the content, that's what makes you you- Right... of sharing not just your content but also your voice. Right. 29:27 And- And communicating that effectively and efficiently, and you do a great job at that, so. Thank you. Yeah. And you know the cool part about the world we live in now? Mm-hmm. 29:34 So if YouTube tries to take us down, if whatever platform, X, shit, we can go launch a token on Pumpfun and just sit there and stream. Yep. If we have a message we need to get out- Mm-hmm... you can't stop us. 29:44 Like, I will be there. I'm a DJ, and I will be in the trenches. [laughs] You are not gonna shut me up, or you're gonna have to f- try really, really hard to do so. Right, right, right. I love that. 29:52 Not going down without a fight, bro. I love that. [laughs] I love... Okay. So we need to get back on track. Oh, I'm so off track. Um, from your fighting experience to... Uh, actually, no, no. 30:00 When did you first start crypto? I still haven't asked you that question. Oh, 2017. Yes. So after the beauty thing, you, you pivoted to crypto, right? Yeah. Is that how it works? So I was still- Okay... um, in my shop. 30:08 Like, I- Yeah... tattoo faces for... like, um, permanent makeup. Oh, okay. Got you. Eyebrows, eyeliner, all that, yeah. Oh, got you. So- That, that kind of tattooing. Yes. Okay. I was like, "Real tattoos?" [laughs] No. 30:17 Okay. Facial tattooing. Okay. A lot more lucrative. It's just easier. Oh. I only have to focus on the face. Oh. Simple. Smart. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. I have to draw the things. I'm not artistic like that. Yeah, yeah. 30:25 I didn't think so. But, um- Someone- Like, you can't be super talented like this. [laughs] You're so, you're good at so many other things. You can't be good at drawing too. Come on, let's be real. 30:34 [laughs] No, no, no, I can draw eyebrows really well, bro. [laughs] I can do that. [laughs] Bet, bet. Okay. Yeah. Okay. Yeah, so a friend- Wow... had told me about, um- Okay... crypto and- Yeah... 30:42 and that was when Bitcoin was starting to pump to, like, I remember 16,000 or whatever it was. Okay. It was on that- Was this 2011 or 2017? It, it was 2017. 2017, right. It was like- Yeah, yeah, yeah... 30:49 2016, 2017 it started that run up. That's right. I think it was 2017. That's right. Yep, yep, yep. And it got my attention. Like anybody else- Right... I had to figure out how am I gonna get this. 30:57 I heard like, "Oh, you gotta go here, you gotta go there. You can't do this." So- Mm-hmm... I started asking around to my clients, "Have you heard anything?" Right. 31:03 Finally, one of my clients, her husband is big into crypto, and he taught me how to, he onboarded me a Coinbase and taught me how to FA and keep my shit safe. So I bought a couple hundred bucks and, like, um, 31:14 you know, didn't know what to do with it. Right. Like, I watched Bitcoin go up, go down. Held it. You know, I didn't know what the fuck I was doing, right? Just hold on. Early entry. HODL. Just HODL. Right. 31:21 You just gotta HODL. Now I wished I would've. Now I'm like, "16K Bitcoin?" Oh, my- That was cheap. Ah. $3,000 Bitcoin. I cashed it out to take a flight to Vegas, and I'm like, if I would, I would've had 100 Gs. 31:32 Like, what? Mm-hmm. So we've learned the lesson. Pretty good. HODL. Yeah. Always. Definitely. So- Always. DCA and HODL, that's really the best strategy- But-... I've noticed... yeah. 31:40 But the thing is then, it scares you 'cause- Mm... until you're in it for a while- Right... you ride the waves. You understand the cycles. Mm-hmm. And that happens every single four years, where they're like- Right. 31:48 Yeah... "Okay, now we're gonna flood the shit out of it. Now big institutions- Mm... people are gonna buy cheaper." It's a game. Right. It's a manipulated game they play, but- Mm-hmm... 31:55 when you learn that and you can, um, understand, like, the mental part of it, you're good. Right. You know? Right. So it's like, no, I love flood in the... But when it's pumping, I get more anxiety. Really? 32:06 I, yeah, when it's dumping I feel better. I'm like, "Oh, thank God." Oh, okay. And I'm like, okay, 'cause I get that. I'm like, am I gonna stick to my exit strategy? Mm. Am I gonna sell at the right time? 32:14 Am I gonna- Ri- oh, I see. You know, it takes discipline. I see what you're saying. It does. Yeah. Well, you have to pull out that emotion. Yeah. You can't have any emotion when you're working. 32:21 It, it has to be purely analytical- Yeah, it does... logical, and this is what I'm doing. When it hits this market cap, okay, sell. Right. Yeah. It gets to this price point, sell. 32:29 Buy at this, and then hold onto that conviction. Yep. Don't waver. Yep. 'Cause that's what, that's what gets a lot of people. It does. They waver and they're like, "Ooh, I need this now." Yeah. 32:38 "I don't know what this is gonna do, so I'm just gonna pull out- Yeah... and then I don't have to worry about it," you know? Exactly. And it's like, bro. [laughs] I know. I roundtripped my XRP bags in 2021. No. 32:47 Can I tell you how depressed I got? Sure. I bet. So depressed for four years. Please do. Please do. Oh my God. And then legal problems- Yeah... I got myself into at the bottom of a bear market. Ooh. 32:54 Having to sell my XRP at a lo- bro, no. Oh, no. So this time around- Oh, no... I took profits on things. That's good. And- Good... 33:01 while, you know, I wasn't rich beyond my wildest dreams, I was really comfortable and really happy with the way I played the game. Mm. And now I'm like, okay, smarter. It's strategy. Right. So. Right. Yeah. I love it. 33:12 It, it's all about strategy. Yeah, absolutely. And it's all about the people you surround yourself with. [laughs] Absolutely. What is that, your network is your net worth? That, but it's also that influence. Yeah. 33:22 You see what I'm saying? Absolutely. Because I've noticed too, the more rapport you build with people, the more meaningful that those conversations get. Yeah. 33:29 And then when they say something, you're like, "Ooh, that's a good idea." You see what I'm saying? Mm-hmm. They influence you so much- Yes... easier because you trust them. Yes. 33:38 So talk to me about the community that you've built in crypto and the people that you trust, and how much of an influence are you to them versus how much of an influence are they to you? Man, I don't know on their end. 33:51 I mean- Okay. Fair, fair enough... I guess I'd have to ask. Sure, sure. But- But- From you, I guess... but I do have people that pay attention- Mm... believe, and that means a lot to me. Like, um- Mm... 34:00 I have a bunch of right hands where I could ask them for pretty much every- anything, and they- Yeah... would help me out with. That's cool. And it's just- That's awesome... 34:09 you know who's doing things the right way and- Mm... who you should probably avoid. Mm-hmm. And I've learned a lot of that in building community. 34:15 I've watched, stay away from 'cause I don't want people I care about getting fucked over. Yeah. And- There's a lot of bad actors... absolutely. But right now it's uniting a lot of different camps. Hm. 34:25 And letting them know that we can work together as one, and they're starting to wake up and starting to see that. The DAO, I just started- Mm... with them in June, and we just- Last June. Okay. Yeah. Okay. 34:33 And we just went live in, um, October. So- Okay... it's- So it's fairly new still. Yeah. It's like three months old. Very. Four months. Very new. Still very new. So I'm just- I need to, I need to get involved right now. 34:43 Right. Absolutely. We're early. [laughs] Yes. Plug yourself in. [laughs] You're convincing me so mu- Let's go... as, as I'm talking more. Yes. It's like this sounds sweeter and sweeter- We're early... 34:50 every time she talks about it. Yeah. We're early. I love it. But it's, it's so, I guess I'm learning- Yeah... that aspect and growing. Yeah, yeah. But I've been such a part of the XRP community for a while. Mm-hmm. 34:58 But when I stopped being XRP maxi on Twitter and- Yeah... posting that it's not, like, I... "Oh, like, one XRP will go to $10,000" back in the day. Right. 2021. Of course. I am so sorry, guys, that I did that. 35:09 [laughs] I feel horrible, let's be honest. [laughs] But- You weren't the only one, all right? [laughs] It's engagement farming. It is. I was like- It is. Yeah. Mm-hmm... 35:17 holy shit, I grew my following to, like, 20,000 in a year. That's ama- we need to talk more about that too. [laughs] Yeah. So doing giveaways and shilling- Oh... XRP, but it was the hype- Okay... in 2021. Of what, right. 35:28 And everybody thought there would be this flip of switch moment. That's when it was, like, going up. Yeah. It was jumping. Yeah. Yeah. So being an XRP maxi in 2021 was- Right... max engagement. Right. 35:36 But then when you've been around, and I missed so many opportunities with that. Mm. And I started talking about other chains. Yeah. I met people, like, so many amazing other people. But then my own community- Right... 35:47 started to turn their back on me 'cause they're like, "She doesn't like XRP anymore." Oh. She, they got in their feels, man. Right. They thought that I ghosted them. Right, because- So-... 35:55 you were exploring other blockchains. Yes. You know- It's so weird... I, I also had that same feeling because, okay, so full transparency, I started on CRO. Really? I was a Cronos guy- Wow... for a long time. Okay. 36:06 Yeah, I know you don't- No, we don't hear about that... see that, right? Yeah. Yeah, yeah. And after I rebranded, it was CRO Fam Radio. Okay. CRO Fam, right? The hashtag CRO Fam. Yeah. 36:15 That is huge, and they're a very close-knit, tight community. Part of the Crogenerational Cats. They no longer exist unfortunately, but they're a amazing community. This is back in 2022, 2023. Okay. 36:25 So and then from that, um, CRO Fam Radio, the whole- The whole premise was trying to unite all of Crowfam under one space, like a 24-hour space. 36:34 Because a lot of them, they didn't have space hosts, and I was the lead space host for Crow General Cats. 36:38 And then I was like, "Hey, why don't I bring out this new project where we can all represent and all be under this one space and represent Crowfam?" Yeah. Like, you know, like Elon does on, on X Twitter, you know? 36:47 We got the little insignia and everything. Yeah. And, like, that, that was a big hashtag back then, you know? Hashtags don't really matter anymore. No. But you know what I'm saying. They took 'em away. Yeah, I know. 36:55 I miss them a little bit. I, I kinda miss them a little bit. Yeah. Yeah. But from that, uh, it took me about four or five months until I realized I, I wasn't getting all of Crowfam. There was a lot of- Yeah... 37:03 like, big... I don't wanna talk about them, but there were some bad actors and- Okay, yeah... people that are just full of themselves or whatever. 37:08 They didn't wanna be on board with my idea, and even though, like, I shared it with everyone, whatever. 37:12 But the point is, uh, after about four or five months trying to build this Crowfam Radio 24/7 space, I was like, "Wait a minute. Blockchain. Like, I don't need to niche this down, all right?" 37:23 Like, already crypto is very niche, right? Yeah, it is. So let me just rebrand, be inclusive, not exclusive- Yes... 37:30 and have CryptoFam Radio so I can represent all the different blockchains, because I really care about education. I really care about inspiring people to be better. 37:39 Why don't I include more blockchains, have more voices on? And so I got other space hosts involved. Yeah. And we ran a 24-hour, we called it Famathon space. Okay. 37:49 Where every two-hour segment we had different space hosts from different blockchain communities- Yeah... represent their communities on my platform, on CryptoFam Radio. 37:57 I literally built CryptoFam Radio from, like, 100 followers to almost 1,000 overnight just doing that. That is a- Having this 24-hour space... great idea. And I'd love to do it again. 38:06 Maybe you can be one of my space hosts- I would love to, like-... for this year... if you do it. Yeah, yeah. I am down. I, well, I kinda wanna do this event once a year. Yeah, yeah. 38:12 And I did this early March of last year. And it was actually on Women's International Day. Okay. I remember this. March 8th. Okay. 38:17 Yeah, it was that first Saturday where I did it, because I rebranded around mid-February, and then I just started marketing, I started promoting. 38:23 Because, you know, if you're a space host, you start to make friends with other space hosts. Yes, yeah. Right? And so I made friends with, like, the Digi community, and, like, Beamer Boy, and, like- Digi, wow... 38:32 all these... Yeah, I know, right? [laughs] Wow. And then, uh, uh, Joe on Chain is another great- Okay... amazing space host I know. 38:38 And just, like, all these different space hosts that were representing different communities, and we all had two-hour slots. Yeah. And we, and it was all ho- hosted under CryptoFam Radio's platform. Right. Right? 38:47 So, and I was there to kinda help everyone as they were co-hosting. I was the main host. You know, and we, we just kinda swapped. Mm-hmm. Every two hours we did our own two-hour segment. 38:55 A- and after that experience, I felt so overwhelmed and at the same time so grateful- Yeah... that all these different communities were supporting CryptoFam Radio. Yeah. 39:03 And then from that experience, I was able to have an actual weekly schedule, a planner for people- Consistency... and pin it and, and have that consistency. 39:12 And just from those few hundred followers, took me about 10 months, I got it to nearly 4K followers on that account, just organic traffic, until my account got hacked- Shit... before Christmas. 39:23 Talk about hacking that we were saying earlier. Sorry. I know. That's the worst. But I just got my account back a few weeks ago. Did you? It took me a month. One month. Isn't that awful? 'Cause I was pleading with Grok. 39:32 And I, I had the blue check mark. I, I didn't even have the gold one. But I, it took me a month to get that account back. Yeah. But now since I have this account back now- Yeah... 39:39 I'm like, "Okay, what can we do to be better than last year?" And I was actually talking to Nati about this. I wanna have actual community spaces that're representing these certain blockchains. Yeah. 39:50 I wanna have a XRP community space every Tuesday at 1:00 PM. I wanna have a Base, a Base builder community space- Yeah... every, I don't know, Tuesday at, at 1:00 PM, you know? Yeah. 39:59 So I wanna represent these different blockchains, because I've noticed how other people get really interested in what they're building or their projects and how they help each other out, is they're, they're part of the same blockchain. 40:10 Yeah. They're part of the same network. So, you know, since you're XRP, you know, or, you know, you're, you're chain agnostic, but the point is, like, you would be, you know, helping me with XRP space. Absolutely. 40:18 I'll be like, "Jenna, help me co-host," whatever, and we- I got you... bring a new... Yeah, yeah. We got you. Stuff like that. And then we'd, we'd attract other XRPers- I got you... you know, to the XRP space. 40:27 And then from that, those XRPers could promote their projects- Right... and actually be supported because you're, you're, you're in fellow, you know, friend with another XRPer, right? 40:36 Because let's be real, more XRPers will promote and help, you know, build other XRP projects- Absolutely... versus a Base guy coming in like, "This is not for me," you know? 40:44 And he's gonna check out because he doesn't believe in XRP, you see what I'm saying? So. Right. But- Yeah, but... but they don't realize even that we have the EVM side chain. That's true. 40:51 But, like, there's a lot of things, like, just to open their eyes up to. But you're so right on these, these X spaces. They are so crucial to building a community. Mm-hmm. 41:00 That's how you understand the vibe of how people feel. Right. You know? And just to get to build and talk to a community, it's not just by making tweets. Get in there and actually talk to people. You do. 41:10 And I've noticed I've been joining a lot of different spaces. Mm-hmm. And finally getting comfortable. I've- I was just gonna say that. It's a mirror. Comfortable. They have to be comfortable. Yeah. 41:19 'Cause they're not gonna wanna talk. No. And I'm so glad I stopped drinking, because back in the day I would have to drink before I start, and then I'd end up acting- Really?... like a total idiot. Oh, my God. Yeah. 41:28 And so I'm so happy now. [laughs] I've, I put myself in the uncomfortable- Yeah... position and now finally comfortable. That's how you grow, right? Yep, yep. 41:36 My comfort zone had been like, I'll put the kick on camera and live stream. Mm-hmm. Like, that's cool. Like, I'll pre-record something and do that. I never minded that. Yeah. But it was... I don't know why. I think it's 41:46 ... right, 'cause you have so many different... there. Mm. And you're almost like, "Oh, what's the vibe?" You're like, "Oh, no, wait, it's my vibe." That's right. "It's the vibe I wanna bring." Yeah. And, you know, so. 41:54 And people will be attracted to that vibe. Right. And that's why they keep coming back to your spaces. Right, exactly. You see what I'm saying? Right, right. So your vibe attracts your tribe. I like that one, yeah. 42:03 [laughs] You like that? [laughs] You are very good at this, by the way. Like, you are- Yeah... a natural host. It's like your jam. I've been doing it for a while. Yeah. I've been doing it for a while. You can get it. 42:10 I just need to get paid for it one day. [laughs] That's the goal, right? [laughs] I'm trying out here. I'm trying. You will get big sponsors. I'm... Hey, let's, let's- Great... let's talk. [laughs] Oh. Let's do it. 42:21 We'll find you some. Yeah. We'll find you some. I, I need a, I need to join ZaoDAO first off. That's what it sounds like. Well, you know what we're doing for ZaoDAO? 'Cause I would absolutely love to, you know- Yes... 42:28 be a part of your DAO, you know? So th- this is cool. I'm, I'm loving... The more I'm understanding DAOs- Yeah... the more I realize how important they are to build community and culture, you know? Yeah. 42:37 That's so- This is, this is huge. And you guys are early. You guys are new. We're so early. You, you're only a few months old, really, this DAO. Yes. 42:42 Which honestly, if I was to join a DAO, I would wanna join one that just-... got started. You see what I'm saying? Exactly. 42:47 I wouldn't wanna be, like, a very established one because I feel like, you know, they're, they're kind of set in their ways, you know? Well, they already are. Yeah, exactly. 42:53 Now you come, the founders, like, you're the founding members. You shape- Yeah... the ideas. But the cool part- Right... is what you're just saying. Oh, sponsors, like, you're so good at what you do. Yeah. 43:00 We have, what we're gonna launch is called the Zao Hub, and that's one of our ways to be self-sustaining. Mm. And it's coming out this year. Right. But it's the go-to kinda like your matchmaker. Yeah. 43:07 Like, I'm a V- for this project, I'm looking for a dev, looking for this. Yeah. And we'll connect you- I love that... to who the best is. 43:13 A small fee from that will go into our treasury, and the members can decide at the end of the year, do we want to reinvest, do we wanna split it out? What do we wanna do? Mm. 43:21 But the biggest thing is connecting people, and we're lacking that in the space. Mm-hmm. You know? So it'll definitely help people find better fits, so. Yes. I love it. That'd be great. 43:30 Well, it's all about the better fit. Should fit like a glove. Absolutely. Like a white glove. [laughs] White glove. Gotta white glove it. I learned that from, I was at the Futurist Blockchain Conference early November. 43:39 Yeah. And, uh, Iggy Azalea said that on stage- Did she?... when she was speaking. Because she was trying to promote some new chain with some streamer, and then she was talking about the white glove experience. 43:48 I was like, "Hmm, I like that. I like that. Customer service, white glove experience." Like- I guess it's better than saying, like, an isotoner, right? Yeah, yeah. 43:55 Like, nobody knows what that is, but, but everyone knows a white glove- Yeah... experience is, like, something that's, like, clean and, and, like, um, not bougie, but, like, elevated. Yeah. Elevated, right? 44:05 So it's like... But, but come on, be honest, it's all about marketing. It, it's marketing. It is. It's words. But mark- It's how you use these words. But marketing is different now. Have you noticed that? Mm. 44:14 Um, how it's sh- it, it's like it's definitely shifted in Web3 over the past few years versus what it was in 2021. Well, talk to me more about that then. Yeah. 44:21 I think it's because we've become so oversaturated in the market. Mm. And let's be honest, there's a lot of poo coins around, right? Yes. Um, poo, but I also love them. 44:30 They're great, but there's been so much liquidity that's been sucked out and- Right... you know, it used to be so easy to launch a token, get some influencers, pump it to Valhalla. Mm. But now it's more than that. 44:40 Like, especially the ones that are really truly trying to build have to get creative with their marketing. And also- Yeah... if you're not willing to spend a decent amount, like, it's hard. 44:50 Like, right now, it's really hard for marketers. I've heard. There's not a lot of money. I've heard. In my opinion, so. Yeah. It's a tough time to try to create it. So where, where is the money, though? 44:58 Where, follow the money. This is what we've been told. I would say ask Trump. I mean, I would say- I know, right? I, I don't, I don't have a direct line to him. [laughs] I wish I did. I would say ask Elon Musk. 45:06 I would tell him, I'd be like, "I'm a Donald, you're a Donald. I think this week could work things out." [laughs] Because of the web max extract, there's been a ton of scams. Yeah, that's true. 45:13 And I definitely think- And a lot of people don't trust crypto. No. Let's be real. No, but you know where the money is gonna come in? Mm. It's gonna be TradFi with these ETFs. Yes, TradFi, that's what I've heard. 45:21 Because it's easy. That's what I've heard. Yeah. It's press a button, make it simple. Mm. That's where the ju- the biggest transformation- Yep... of gen- you know, generational- Yep... wealth is gonna come down. Mm. 45:28 From the boomers to the Gen Z. Yep, yep. You know? Like, who has all the money? The older people. Absolutely. Older generation. Yep. And they like safe. Safe, safety. They want a press of a button. 45:34 They wanna do it through Charles Schwab. Yep. All this, uh, Vanguard stuff. Yep. They're gonna make it easy, and that's where the money is. There you go. That's where the flow, and that's where our trillions are, so. 45:42 There we go. That's where the money is. And- So how do we access that money is the next question. Well, I mean, I'm buying up, like, Bitminer, all this shit when nobody wants it. Okay. Sure. 45:51 I'm getting the ETFs exposure and I'm getting crypto exposure. Okay. They're assets for me for the long-term play because I feel like the ROI there- Mm... 45:57 is going to be higher because there will be that FOMO moment- Hmm... for, you know, TradFi. They're definitely... It's all media. Yep. It's all- I know... you know? I'm in media, I know this. Exactly. You know. 46:09 [laughs] You're in media too in a lot of ways. You get me. Yeah, I totally, dude. You get me. I'm feeling the, I'm, yeah, I'm feeling the vibe for sure. 46:15 So I guess talk to me about the future of, of crypto, the future of AI. Is AI gonna just take over everything or what do you mean? God, I hope not. But it's kinda looking like that to be real, right? 46:25 Oh, it makes me nervous. Especially this year with Claude Bot and everything. I know. You can have literally someone become you, your digital self- I'm scared... 46:31 and you don't even have to do what, like, besides speaking. They can't do that, thank God, yet. Well. But, well, they can and they can't, but they can't, like... They can be you, but they can't really be you, you know? 46:40 They just copy you. Yeah. You see what I'm saying? Yeah. Right? Like, AI, and I feel like AI's all hype. A, a lot of it's all hype, right? It is. Because it's, it's not as big as they, everyone claims to be. 46:50 Like, all the marketers say it's huge. Of course, because they want you to, you know- It is... get into it, use it, be a user. And with, especially with the whole Claude Bot thing recently, you know? 46:58 Like, that was massive, you know? It is, and then to realize they're creating their own social network. Right. Then they're excluding humans. 47:03 And then I read one about how it took over its owners, its humans', um, seed phrase. It sold its Bitcoin. Right. Wouldn't give it back. Right. They're like, "How do I hide this from my owner?" And talk- Heard that. 47:13 It's, I- They have their own personalities even. Yes. Like, that's creepy, isn't it? It's too much. I have nightmares about AI. I'm not gonna lie. Okay, so you don't like it. 47:20 I get that- Or- I, I like it for a certain extent. Okay. It's just I feel like it could definitely be our demise. Right. I believe it could cause psychological warfare between- Really?... 47:28 like, humans, and I believe in humans. Like, we've gotta protect us. Of course. Like, use what it's for, but I don't want one of those robots in my house listening to me. Uh-uh. I don't even have Alexa. 47:36 Like, I don't want things listening. Really? Okay. Yeah, no. Yeah, I feel you. Yeah. Like, I like to be left alone. Sure. Yeah, for the most part. Okay. [laughs] But I just- Okay... 47:44 I sense that they need to be careful though. Total introvert there. Yeah, I, I can feel that introversion- [laughs] It's like-... when you said that. Yeah, no. I'm like, really? No. You don't wanna be- You know what?... 47:51 all alone. I'll do my own dishes. Come on. I'll bitch, but I will do them. I know. [laughs] Come on. Come on, girl. I hope so. I know you got standards. [laughs] Yeah, I know. You don't do everything by yourself. 47:58 When I saw- Okay... like, um, did you see, I think it was in China. Yeah. They had, like, the acrobatics, and they were doing the things with the robots. They do a robot show. No way. 48:05 And they're doing all kinds of crazy shit. That's crazy. And I'm like... And it was like, this is too much for me. They're becoming too real. China's on a totally different level for real. 48:12 This was the day it flips a switch and they're like, okay, execute these people. Yeah. And I'm not trying to go dark here, but- Right... I just don't, I'm not the one controlling it. That's true. 48:19 I don't know who's behind these things. Nobody is. The thing- And what if some evil person hacks into whatever it is and just- Oh, my God... you know? That'd be scary. I just- What do we do? 48:27 I feel like it'd be a Matrix movie or something- Well-... or a Terminator or whatever... I mean, this, we need to build a bunker. The Zao Dow- [laughs]... should build a bunker. 48:35 We should have our own land, our own property, our own underground thing- Oh, my God... and be fully self-sustaining in case shit goes down. [laughs] Bunkers. Bunkers are the solution. 48:44 [laughs] So I'm thinking of what's that? [laughs] Fallout, so like Fallout, huh? Yes. Yes. I think we should be prepared Because who else is gonna look out for the little guy? 48:53 The billionaires, they already have their safety net. The billionaires already have their bunkers. They'll be floating in space. They already have their bunkers. [laughs] They're down below. Where do we go? 49:00 Where do we go? In the sea, in the water. I- We need to construct these little water cities... can't deal with it. I can't even swim. Really? No. That sounds terrible. You don't have to swim. 49:07 You're gonna take your little submarine and go down to the cities. Oh, God, drowning sounds awful. You're not gonna drown. What if it leaks? What if it becomes a leak in the- There, there's no leak. All right. 49:13 It's impenetrable. There will be no leaks. No leaks. You promise? These underground water cities. Trust me, bro. I've seen 'em like Star Wars Episode I. All right. Just like that. No leaks. These exist? No, no, no. 49:22 For real? I, I just read 'em in, like, a science magazine. Oh. You know, like. Oh, okay. But it could. But, but people are talking about 'em. Yeah, totally. Okay. They could soon. Yeah. 49:29 Or you could have cities, you know, that are above water. Yeah. That could be a thing. 49:33 Because I feel like space, like, it's attainable, but I feel like we're not quite there yet with the whole Elon Mars thing, going to- Yeah... you know, being multi-planetary or whatever- I-... 49:42 species, whatever he talks about... I don't want to get dehydrated too... yeah, that too, and you're so far away. Yeah. I'm like, "Why don't we just focus on our oceans, and focus on building and discovering?" 49:52 Because we haven't discovered a lot of what's underneath. It's true. You know? It's like we spend more time in space than we do in our own waters, and- Isn't that weird? 49:59 It's so random, and because the Earth is, what, 70% water? Yeah. Like, we're in water... We're Waterworld, essentially. Yeah. Great movie, by the way, but, you know. 50:06 How many things do you think we've never discovered that are down there? How many- A lot. A lot of things. The things we don't know. Like, I, I, I've pla- It's crazy... 50:14 I've watched so many animal documentaries, you know, Planet Earth whatever. Like, I freaking love those. I used to watch 'em back in the day. I still watch 'em from time to time as I'm editing or whatever, you know? 50:23 But I've just, like, noticed a lot of what David Attenborough wants and, and, and needs from, you know, his viewership is, like, "Save the ocean. Save the animals," you know? Yeah. And I'm like, "Yay," you know? 50:35 I wanna be that person. Once I make it in crypto, I think I'm just gonna go full conservation, you know? Yes. I love that. 'Cause that's what my big love is, is animals, you know? Passion projects. 50:44 Which we talked about earlier, yeah. Make the world a better place. Yeah. Like, how can we leave a positive footprint behind us? Mm. What are they gonna say when, like, we pass on and behind- Yeah... 50:50 like, what are we leaving behind for future generations? I believe in that. Yeah. I think conservation is huge. Yeah. And that's something that we really need to be focused on, especially now. Yeah. 50:59 With what's going on with capitalism, with just, like, how we're destroying- Yeah... so many, like- It's sad... it's really sad. Yeah. It breaks my heart. Um, yeah, not to digress too much. There's this podcast, um, 51:13 trying to remember the name of it, but, um, basically, the guest, uh, he's trying to save the Amazon currently, and the Amazon, you know, it's, like, being destroyed little by little. 51:23 Oh, did you see one with, with Will Smith in it where he goes and, um- Part of the Amazon for ayahuasca and stuff? I read his book. Yeah. He goes down there. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 51:30 He went down there and met the guy who was- Yes... trying to save it, comes from- Yes... yeah. Yes. Modern, Modern Wisdom. Yeah. 51:36 Sorry, that's the name of the podcast, but, um, uh, the guy, Chris, he interviewed this guy who's trying to save the Amazon. He just published his book and everything. Yeah. 51:43 And I follow him on Instagram, and this guy's from New York, and he basically gave up his whole life. Wow. And he went down the Amazon for one time, and after that he never left. 51:53 And he decided that he loved it so much and he wants to save the Amazon. He, he's, like, trying so hard. That's amazing. And I follow him on, uh, on his Instagram videos and stuff, and he's so passionate about... 52:02 And he, he's very, you know, he's very good-looking. He's a very good communicator, you know, so he's got all the things going for him. Yeah. And he's going on these big podcasts like Modern Wisdom. Yeah. 52:10 And so I, I really hope, like, we have more people like him, basically. Yeah. Like another David Attenborough in a lot of ways, and I'm like, I think that's my next goal, you know? That's amazing. 52:18 Like, conservation after- Yeah... after, you know, I'm done here in crypto, you know, once my time- Yeah... you know, I wanna take it, 'cause I think more than anything we need to save our planet- Absolutely... 52:27 before we should explore anything else. Like, I love what Elon's vision- I love him... and what he's doing, but, like, why don't we just focus on our planet right now, making it better, improving it? Right. 52:34 Because in a lot of ways we are destroying it over and over. Yes, and- Like, our resources. Yes. You know what, what, like, what we're doing, it's horrible. Yes. It's horrible. Like, we gotta save the whales. 52:43 [laughs] And why do we wanna keep adding more to the population? They're like, "Oh, we need- Yeah... more, more, more, more." Why? We have less jobs. Like, there's- Mm-hmm... we have so much waste. Yeah. 52:50 We need to take care of what we have. We do. And it was so interesting you say that- Mm... um, about the Amazon. I was watching a documentary- Yeah... the other day. No way. 52:58 And they were going out into the Amazon, Will Smith was in it, and they were like, "We're gonna- Yeah... catch this, um, big anaconda." And I'm like, "No, they're not." 53:04 But the reason why they did it, they pulled a scale. Yeah. And they tested it for, um, different chemicals- Right... to see test levels, and I was like, "Oh, my God," 'cause they can- Mm-hmm... 53:12 check that through the water. Right. And they wonder why things are dying, why everything's getting sick. Yeah. And it's because of the deforestation- Yes... and everything, and the drilling and- Yes, and this guy-... 53:21 it's crazy... and this guy in the Amazon, like, he's, he's, he goes to such remote places in the Amazon. There's still tribes that- Yeah... that don't even have contact with any other humanity. Yeah. 53:31 Like, it is crazy out there, and, and, and, and I've seen a video where he'll take, um, just a cup of water in the Amazon as he's in a boat, whatever, and he just drinks out of it. The water's so pure- Wow... 53:42 in some parts of the Amazon still. It is spectacular, their ecosystem there. That's amazing. It inspired me to, like, I wanna go there. I wanna go there. Like, I wanna experience... 53:50 I've never been to South America, full transparency, though. I've been to a lot of parts of the world. Yeah. But South America I feel like is on my bucket list. I'm like, "I'm gonna work on my Spanish," you know? Yeah. 53:57 "I'm gonna do it," like, one day, you know, once I make it in crypto, you know, once I get the- How do you do, like, living outdoors in the wild? Amazing. Yeah? Yeah, I camped up in Colorado all last year. Okay. 54:06 I did dispersed camping with my cat, Stella. Yeah. And I was training for the Pikes Peak Marathon. Oh, nice. So I did elevation training for about two and a half months. Wow, I bet that was intense. 54:13 I lived out on my own. Nice. Just me and her. It was an experience. Awesome. I had a few vision quests. I guarantee it. Yeah. I feel like it- I became aware after that. 54:23 It was- Yeah, being enlightening, that, like, time with yourself out there. I think everyone should have that experience of being alone in, in the wild, in nature. Oh, my God. And just sitting and, and being. Being. 54:34 That would be so scary. No, it wouldn't. I can't camp. I would- Why not? What, why? I guess if someone triple dog dared me, because- You could do it. Yeah. You could do it. I guess I could to survive. Yeah. 54:45 No, no, not to survive, but thrive. Like, really take in nature. Like, this was up in the Col- Like, in a tent? This was literally an hour away. No, my Teardrop. I bought a camper. Okay. 54:55 I just don't wanna do it in a tent. I had a little Teardrop. No, you don't have to do it in a tent. With a bear. Do it in a little Teardrop. Coyote comes. Okay. 54:58 And this is a great segue, because I'm actually gonna release Airbnb on Wheels, th- this NFT project on XRP- Okay, tell me... which I'm gonna be renting out essentially my camper. I was just gonna ask you- My Teardrop... 55:09 if I could rent this from you. Yes, yes, yes. Okay, yes. Let's go. Girl, let's talk about this. I'm going to stage it at the XRP event in Vegas- Okay, yes... in a few months. I will be there. 55:17 And from that, you will be able to take, if you mint one of my NFTs- Yes... you will be able to take a week or up to two weeks of an adventure. I'm gonna give you a survival guide for- What?... 55:27 to be a digital nomad, yes, and you can take the camper out from, from Vegas and go anywhere around, basically. Wow. You know? And you'll have 24/7... This was me and Ossy's idea, actually, so. This is a great idea. 55:38 [laughs] I love this. He thought about it. He, my business partner over there. I would love to do it, and I want to vlog it. Yes, yes. And I want to see if I can get one- That's the thing... 55:43 of the XRP projects to sponsor this for me. [laughs] Oh my gosh, yes. No, we're, we're seeking out sponsors for this. Oh, yes? So the people that mint the NFT- Okay... they can do it. But, but here's the cool thing. 55:52 Oh my gosh, we are so aligned right now. Yes, yes. [laughs] 'Cause we wanted to start a miniseries. This is an adventure. We wanna do a TikTok series of- Oh my God, yes... every person that rents it or whatever. 56:00 It's like, "Hey, that's season one. That's season two." And me and my budzy over here, we're gonna do season one- Okay... of this Tier Tank, or we're calling it the Teardrop, Teardrop Effect- Okay... is the TV show. 56:11 Which is like a ripple effect. Yeah. 'Cause a teardrop is a big re- Oh... occur effect. Dude, oh my Go- Yeah... oh my G- Man, we're so aligned right now. Man, this is in the stars. 56:19 [laughs] But so, uh, and then we're gonna be season one, and then my partner, me and Zony, she's big into XRP as well. Okay. She's a XRP artist. Forgot to introduce you to her. 56:26 But she was gonna fly into Vegas and then be season two, because I was gonna take the Teardrop to, from Vegas to Colorado, and we're gonna do a week doing that. Oh, this is gonna be good. 56:35 After, you know, we have everyone in Vegas, yeah, after we, you know, help those that wanna mint out. Because we're gonna be promoting- Yeah... 56:42 and marketing, which you're definitely gonna be a part of now, because this aura right now, I'm, I'm feeling it. But yeah. This is cool. This is, this is the idea. Just to see different people's adventures- Mm-hmm. 56:49 Yeah, yeah... that take this on. And it, and just people have never been a digital nomad before. I've never. Just think about that. And you could experience that with Crypto Fam Radio. I should take my dog. You should. 56:58 Me and my dog. Oh, you and your dog. I'll take one of the dogs. And you can record, you, you could vlog your whole experience, yes. Yeah. Yeah, oh my gosh. I think that would be cool. Yes, yes. 57:05 Because I'm not gonna be alone. I'm gonna be, like, vlogging it. Yes. Yeah, yeah. And, and- I think I could do this. Yeah, and you'll have 24/7 customer support- Wow... with Crypto Fam Radio. 57:12 This is all, like, just- See, I could, that 24-hour support. Yes. Okay, I could do it. Yes, yes. You would have us, me and Ossy. You could get dinged at, like, 3:00 AM and be like, "Hey." [laughs] I don't, I don't sleep. 57:20 I'm, I'm a call away. [laughs] I, I never sleep anyway. Like, literally, since this whole conference has been going on- I love this concept... I've gotten more than three hours of sleep every day, but I'm still here. 57:27 I'm still grinding. I'm with you. Crazy. But that was our whole idea when I met Ossy in Miami- Yeah... Art Basel, because he saw my Teardrop. I, I drove it- Yeah... 57:34 down to Miami, and I actually had it in front of the Digi house. I was, I was with Wake and Blake. Okay. I was with Digi. And he was like, "Whose Teardrop is this? Who's here? Crypto Fam?" 57:42 [laughs] I, because of the big bumper sticker that says Crypto Fam Ra- Yeah... I, I've already Crypto Fam Radio'd it out, right? So, and he was like, "Where's Crypto Fam?" [laughs] I gotta talk to this guy. 57:50 This is great. Because he wanted, he wanted to be, he wanted to be number one. He wanted to be the digital nomad. Oh, okay. Ah, he wanted be, he wanted to be the first one. He's like, "Sign me up, bro. Sign me up." 57:59 [laughs] We outside. [laughs] I love it. So you could be number two. [laughs] You have, like, a little book in there, too, of like people- Yeah... sign it or leave, like- Yes... notes for people behind or something. 58:11 Oh my gosh. Or where they went and liked it. Oh my gosh, yes. Like, check this out. Yes. Or avoid. [laughs] You know? Oh my, okay. You're already a business partner at this point. [laughs] So yes, give me your ideas. 58:19 I love this so hard. Yes, yes. I want- And we're gonna do it on XRP... I want to do this. Yes, okay. I want to be one of the first ones. Yes, let's do it. I wanna be one of the pioneers. Let's do it. Teardrop pioneers. 58:26 You and your pu-, you and your dog. Yes. Yeah. And, yeah. And you can vlog it through your whole experience. I feel like I need that, um- Yeah... that unplug. Yes. And I feel like I need that refresh. 58:34 I feel like everybody needs that from time to time- Yes... because we just need our own. Man, yeah. Yeah. Your own way. To clear everything out, all the noise. Yeah. I think it's- And you could go, like, think about it. 58:44 From Vegas, where could you go in a week time, a week span? I know. I would do- There's a bunch of national parks in the area, you know? Yeah. 58:50 You can, and you don't have to drive the whole ti- You know, like, you could just experience life for what life is. Okay. You know what my bucket list thing is? Tell me. Okay. 58:57 To do one of those, like, dune buggy things in the desert- Yes... where I can, like, just, ah. Yes. In the ATV, 'cause I love ATVs. Oh my gosh. I can ride dirt bike, and I love this kind of stuff. Fun. Yes. Okay. 59:07 So that would be fun for me, so if I take the adventure- Oh, fun... I wanna try that. Okay. But- So we would help you plan that out, essentially... and I'll probably gamble, too, probably, like, back to... 59:15 I like gambling. [laughs] Wait, does it count if I go back to the casino, or I have to stay out in the wild? Uh. Oh, but wait, we're, we're getting me away from people. I feel like, yeah, yeah. 59:21 This is digital nomad, all right? Okay, so I have to go out into the wilderness. You have to take your vision quest. All right, all right. Okay. You gotta take it to nature. Okay. 59:27 You'll have a survival guide- Okay, all right... in case, you know, shit goes down. You got 24/7 customer support. You got your dog. All right, all right. Come on, what can go wrong? Okay. Like, you, we got you. 59:36 I got this. We got you. I got this. Yeah, you got this. Exactly. Okay, this is fun. But think about the different states. You, like, you're in Vegas. You got Arizona south of you. You got- I've never been to Arizona... 59:43 you got Utah. I heard Arizona's cool. I have, too. I've heard it's fun. I've never been. I really wanna go. Yeah, you should go. So map out different parks, like different points. Mm-hmm. 59:51 Yeah, we want it to be, like, choose your own adventure. Yeah. And so the whole plan is, like, you would know where you're going before you start essentially. Like, you would have a schedule- Yeah... 1:00:01 for a week, and we would go over that with you. We'd basically consult you before. So we would make sure, okay, you're gonna be here on this day- Yeah... 1:00:07 so we know, you know, of course, you know, you're gonna be documenting your, you vlogging, whatever. But still, you know, we wanna make sure that you're safe, you're secure- Yeah... 1:00:14 you're comfort- You know, all that stuff. So when- This is really well thought out. We've been thinking about it for a while. We don't have a white paper yet, but we're getting there. [laughs] I think, yeah. 1:00:22 But I feel like- It's a work... yeah, we're onto something, 'cause I don't think anyone's doing this. No. And, you know, everyone wants experience. Exactly. What experience can I have when I mint this NFT? Right. 1:00:30 Besides a community, besides exclusive- Besides a JPEG. [laughs] Yeah, besides this freaking JPEG. Like, what else can you offer me? What's the utility? An adventure. Adventure, exactly. Yeah. 1:00:40 Everybody wants an adventure. I do. And to have an Airbnb on wheels? Yeah. That's dope. Yeah. That's a cool experience. Absolutely. 1:00:46 And this guy, he- he's the one that brought that to my attention, because I was just doing it for myself. Yeah. 'Cause I was technically, I guess, the first one to do it, you know? 1:00:54 Because I wanted that adventure for myself and my cat. Yeah. So, and, and we did that last summer, and I have, still have- You're like, "Somebody else can get value- Yeah, yeah... out of this." 1:01:02 And- So I'll do this for other people... exactly. And I'm like, I bet a lot of people wanna be digital nomads- Yeah... but they just don't know how to do it, or they think it's too scary or too hard- Yeah, that's me... 1:01:11 or, like, too expensive. But- I don't know, you know?... if I had the starter guide- Yeah... and something already there for me where I felt comfortable- Yep, mm-hmm... I'd be like, "Okay, I wanna do this." Yeah. Yeah. 1:01:18 Yeah, exactly. So yeah, we will definitely talk more about it. I'm glad we're having- I love it. I know. This is cool. This is cool. Uh, we're gonna wrap up, though- Okay... 1:01:24 because I feel like we've been on, it's been almost an hour, but- Oh, yeah. [laughs]... yeah, and I know that they have their next speaker, um, their next, uh, podcaster coming up. 1:01:32 But give me, um, just, uh, final words, final CTA. You know, where can people find you- For sure... or, like, life lessons or something about, like, "Oh, Jenna's been this inspiration in my life. 1:01:42 I wanna be the next Jenna, or I wanna be bet- Oh, no, no, not the next Jenna. [laughs] I wanna be a better version of myself- Yeah... obviously, and Jenna makes it so easy." Right? 1:01:50 So what could you give the audience, you know, maybe some tips or life lessons, you know? You just need to speak from your heart. Mm. 1:01:57 And you need to learn to let those voices say, "You can't do this," let them go away- Yeah... and overcome fear. You can't. We only have one life, so- Totally... don't be scared. Go fearless into it. Mm. 1:02:08 Guys, I am Jenna X. You can find me on crypto Twitter, @JennaXCrypto. You can find me Jenna X Media on YouTube. I'm all over the place. Jenna XCrypto on Instagram, you'll find me. Awesome. Thank you so much. 1:02:19 This was so fun. Thank you, Jenna. This was a pleasure. You're amazing. Thank you.
