Transcript 0:00 [upbeat music] We're gonna help get this out. 0:11 Okay, guys, it's time to get a little energy for the night, and I gotta make sure that I'm drinking some water, so we're just gonna try and bang them both out at the same time So I'm going to be reviewing Hydro Rush. 0:25 It's time to get up, start moving. Gotta reach out and grab my Crypto Rush from Hydro Rush. Let's go. We gotta get this generator started, and we're gonna need the energy to do that and to go exploring. Vibez up, fam. 0:40 Give it a little taste test. I mean, I gotta rush it even though you're not a rushie. Cheers, fam. [upbeat music] Ingredients. Okay. You guys have magnesium in here, 66 milligrams. 0:56 Sodium, sea salt, 1,000. All right, that's pretty high. You got some potassium, keeps you nice and invigorated, keeps your bones and your joints going good, muscles from cramping up. And then creatine. 1:10 Um, a lot of people have been telling me about creatine, you know, um, very good things from, uh, from the weight training community. Yeah, let's see how this tastes. Okay. Not bad. All right. This is Hydro Rush. 1:24 Did you really just say hit play? Hit play. It's record, bud. [laughs] I love how- Play it after it's done recording. I love how we start. Yeah. How you doing, Ken? How goes it, bro? It's good to see you. 1:36 Glad we're finally doing this. I feel like that handshake felt fake, it was just for them. It was like the viewers- You wanna, you wanna try again? We can try again. No, no, we didn't even need to do the handshake. 1:42 [laughs] It was just for the viewers. It felt so fake. It felt so fake. [laughs] I try to be as real as possible, but sometimes, you know, it just over- Right. 1:48 It's just, like, part of the theatrics of, like, content and shit. [laughs] Right. Right. And I love that you put your mic into your beard. You have enough that it'll just stay there. Thank you. 1:58 So hopefully it won't, like, shuffle anything as we talk Oh, actually, maybe we should check the audio 'cause this, the hair might scratch the mic. You're right. Does it look like it's- No, I'm sure it's fine. 2:06 No, it's not scratchy. It's per- Cool. It's perfect. It's perfect. Okay. [laughs] So Ken, t- tell me about yourself. Tell me about, you know, life. Tell me about- Oof... how are you feeling overall? Uh- Overall... 2:16 in the moment? In the moment, yeah. 'Cause that's all I have. Overwhelmed and excited. Overwhelmed and excited. Yeah. Okay. So why are you overwhelmed and why are you excited? 2:25 I'm overwhelmed because [laughs] I am excited. Um- [laughs] Uh, I'm excited for these conferences and stuff- Awesome... but unfortunately, I don't really have the ability to self-fund it anymore, so. Hmm. 2:40 Yeah, it's a little overwhelming to- Gotcha... think about, like, you know, the opportunities that lie ahead and just connecting those dots and- Mm-hmm... 2:49 I've been in this space, like, 10 years, never really tried to ever pull value out, ever. I just, like, value added and- Right... now I gotta just, like, figure out how to... 2:58 You know, and I'm doing the proposals and the DAOs and stuff. I've been funding them. I'm going to Europe, like, you know, I- That's cool... I, like, can't really be too bummed. I'm literally going to Europe- Right... 3:06 next week. [laughs] Yeah, like, dude. For free, essentially, like, you know. Bro, dude. So, uh- Good job. Good job... thank you. The Bitcoin Cash community, they gave me, like, $4,000. 3:15 I paid for my flight in Bitcoin Cash. Wow, okay. I paid for my hotel, my ticket to the co- everything was in Bitcoin Cash, and- Mm-hmm... 3:21 I think I got, like, $150 left in that budget for, like, walking around money, which- Mm-hmm... I'm gonna try to buy weed in Europe with Bitcoin Cash. We'll see how that goes. [laughs] Yeah. We'll see how that goes. 3:34 So where are you going in Europe? Slovenia. Slovenia. So there's a big crypto community there and- Just Bitcoin Cashers- Just Bitcoin Cashers... very maxi. Okay. Okay. Very cool. And- Yeah, a bunch of, uh, code purists. 3:46 [laughs] Code purists, okay. Are you gonna go travel anywhere else, or you're just gonna stay in Slovenia? 3:51 Um, I just reached out to Futurist Conference, and I asked them if they could help me out as well, if I could make some content 'cause- Mm... uh, thanks to, like, Dial.wtf and- Mm-hmm... 4:02 Celine Wallet, and, you know, I have people helping me go to Consensus, so. Mm-hmm. Uh, even Mineswap.app, like, they're all contributing to me getting my flight, my hotel, and being at Consensus. Mm-hmm. 4:13 And I saw Futurist, they're going to Consensus. Nice. So I DM'd them, and I was like, "Yo, is there any way I could, like, earn my keep and get, like, a flight and a room?" 'Cause- Right... I don't need a ticket. 4:22 You already know I'm sneaking in. [laughs] Like- Yeah. [laughs] You know what I mean? Right, right. I don't need money for a ticket. I just need a flight and a room, and I'll be there. And, uh- Mm-hmm... 4:28 they said that they're gonna talk to the team and see, like, what kinda content and deliverables they can come up with- Okay... what I can do at Consensus to kinda earn that, and- Mm-hmm... 4:36 so yeah, hopefully right after that I'll be going there, and, uh, I just reached out to the Litecoin Foundation- Hmm... doing the same thing about Amsterdam, 'cause that would be the 4:45 fir- it would be the first Futurist and the first Litecoin Foundation Summit I've missed. Oh. So hopefully I don't miss it. Yeah, hopefully you don't. So it sounds like you love going to conferences. 4:55 [laughs] That's how I lo- well, spent most of my money the second time I had it all. [laughs] You know? I, I've had- Yeah... so much money and so little money in so many different waves, but- Right... 5:05 in that middle wave, you know, I spent hundreds of thousands of dollars just traveling the entire world- Wow... you know, bringing people with me that were coming. Like, I rented out hotel rooms and mo- motels. 5:17 I rented out 30 room motels out of my own pocket. Mm-hmm. I took, like, a group of people to Hawaii. I funded- Wow... so much stuff out of po- a conference. I did the whole Shitcoin Conference. Mm-hmm. 5:27 It was so expensive, but it was so- Right... worth it, and- Right... and then, yeah, just I'm a roadie. This is like if I was into the Grateful Dead, like Adam- Yeah... Beck would be my dude, you know what I mean? 5:36 Like- I would kinda say, yeah, yeah... he's the lead singer for me. Like, I go to, like- Uh-huh. Yeah... 5:41 I go to, like, you know, the conferences to see, like, Adam Beck talk on stage, like most people would go to see a rock star perform. And, you know, that's, I'm that roadie. I just go to, like, you know- Yeah... 5:52 go and see who's got the merch booths and who's- Right... new to, like, the, you know, the scene. 5:56 And, you know, it's just, I always just like traveling 'cause I never really thought I'd leave my hometown- And at that point I had the means to do whatever I wanted Right And that's overwhelming too, 'cause then you're like, "I can do whatever I want. 6:08 Oh, fu- what, what is there to do?" What am I gonna do then, right [laughs]? I didn't know what I wanted to do. You know, I didn't even know what I wanted to do. I'm like, I do- Yeah... 6:13 I know I wanna travel, but like- Right... I didn't know anybody with money, and- Right... even people that didn't, didn't really wanna come with me. Right. So I'm like, "What am I even gonna travel for?" 6:22 And I was like, I saw a conference in New York, and I'm like- Mm-hmm... "Yeah, I'll go to a conference. And I, I haven't been to New York yet. I'll, I'll go up there." 6:29 Right And I had enough money to take an Uber, it was kinda bougie. Ubered the whole way to New York and back. Wow, that is bougie. 6:34 Didn't even get a hotel room 'cause I was like, "Eh, it's the same price to get an Uber there and back. I'll sleep in my own bed." Right. Right. 6:40 So, uh, I went to, I think it was Consensus in New York City, and I snuck in. Okay. Uh, shout out to Consensus for following me on Twitter. 6:48 You s- you guys are the real ones, for real, for real, 'cause I snuck into my first Consensus and they caught me, they found out, and they kind of were cool about it. 6:56 They let me back in, 'cause I was like, "I don't know what's..." Yeah. Yeah, they let me back in, man. Oh. Like, and Consensus is like- Okay... I, that's why I never miss Consensus no matter what- Yeah... 7:04 because to me it feels like family. It's just like- Mm... the family that went to college, you know what I mean? Right. And I'm like the family part that like high school dropout- Right [laughs]... 7:12 but we're still family. They'll still take you no matter what- Yeah... 'cause you're family. I love that And that's started the whole domino effect. I just really like traveling and, and the- Mm... 7:21 I was a destination traveler. Yeah. The destination was crypto conferences. Mm, that kinda ties it all in. And I know we just had the Bitcoin conference. How was that? Because you've been to it many times, right? Yeah. 7:33 Yeah Over the past few years. Yeah, I stopped really caring about it in 2021. That's what inspired- Mm... me to start the Shitcoin Conference. 7:41 I only went last year to do a 30-minute interview with some scammer named Bitcoin Ben, which kinda ruined my life. I'm sure we'll get to that. Yes. But, uh- Love that... I was there for, like, 30 minutes. Right... 7:51 Ello Tats was walking with me- Yeah, yeah... and this guy, Jordan Page, stops me. Yeah And he says, "Ken, you made me a millionaire." I'm like, "Wait, what?" [laughs] He's like, "I met you at a conference." 8:04 Yeah "You asked me to come on your podcast." Yeah "You threw the Shitcoin Conference. You asked me to be a speaker. A VC funded me. A couple years later, I got exit liquidity. 8:12 Like, I'm, I'm a millionaire thanks to you, bro." Wow. So shout out to Jordan Page and Firefly, 'cause, like, Firefly's dope. He does this video translation stuff now. Cool But it doesn't just change... 8:21 He can change the language of this entire thing- Wow... but it will change the way my mouth moves. Whoa. So even if you read lips- Okay... the video looks like I'm saying what is in the other language. Right. Right. 8:32 That's creepy. Oh my- Really cool technology... how does it do that? That's what he's doing with his money now, he's reinvesting it into more and more stuff. Interesting. I love that. 8:38 But that's why I originally was like, "You're so cool," 'cause what he was doing was epic. Yeah. I'm just so happy for him. But anyway- Yeah... that was a really cool experience, you know, like meeting people- Mm-hmm... 8:46 at the con. That's just all I really wanna do is just meet people- Yeah... give them these ideas and, like, my ROI is things manifesting into reality that I could selfishly utilize. Mm-hmm. 8:56 Like, everyone's like, "Oh, what do you, like, let me do this. Let me give you equity." I'm like, "I don't wanna sign an NDA. I don't want equity, I just want it to exist." 9:02 Right "Just do the thing we just spent four hours talking about at this, uh, side event- Right... and then build the damn thing so I can use the damn thing." Like- Exactly... just don't waste my time [laughs]. Right. 9:12 Right. So has it always been for the tech for you, or more about- No, always been about the tech. Okay. The tech is gonna make number go up irrelevant. Right. 9:20 I wanna make number go away, and that's what the tech is here for. Yeah. Why don't you tell me more about that? Because most people in crypto want the number to go up. 9:29 Yeah, that's only because there's a number to begin with. True. True. So should there not be any numbers? Exact- well, not, not that number. [laughs] It doesn't need to be that number. Uh-huh. 9:38 I think we can make money, the concept, and ideology obsolete. Mm. Uh, the concept itself is, is very n- new. Right. You know, fiat itself is just a, a beta test in that concept of money and currency, right? Right. 9:53 It is not the overall, it is just another test within. Like- Mm... it wasn't just pull-ups then fiat. Right. We have had many experiments, right? 10:02 Right And fiat is just one of many, which has had a littler, shorter lifespan than most preceding it. Right. So this isn't even the longest lasting currency experiment. Right. True. It's so shortsighted to think, right? 10:15 And- Mm... so I think that the concept of money or the concept of currency will be as obsolete in the near future due to quantum computing, AI, truly making passive income passive. Mm-hmm. 10:28 You know, clicking that button that says, "Claim stake," ruined the whole scam of people- Right... on YouTube saying, "Passive income, just stake your crypto." Right. Motherfucker, I have to log in- That's not passive... 10:37 click a thing, do a wallet. That ain't nothing passive about that. Passive is when you sleep and you make money. 10:41 When I got Clawed though, running a fucking algorithm in the background that has access to all my shit, not only is it, uh, hitting the claim stake, it's taking the claim stake, it's paying my bills, it's ordering my stuff- Mm-hmm... 10:53 it's doing my Netflix, it's keeping track of when I need toilet paper, eggs, bread, and milk. Yeah. Yeah. It's all that. That is passive, bro, and that's the missing ingredient- That's good... 11:01 that's making something like money obsolete. Mm. You know, with universal bacus- basic income being the starter point of that- Mm... 11:07 and then, you know, obviously we have to get past the whole, like, greed and gluttonous and all that bullshit. Yeah. Yeah. People will always have that 1%, but if we starve them out and we don't breed with them- Mm... 11:17 they'll never have offspring to pass their wealth down to. No. So stop fucking billionaires. Definitely. Definitely. Yeah, I don't, I don't like billion- I don't think anyone really likes billionaires. 11:27 I think it's bull- We gotta stop breeding with them. Right. They literally, they'll die off. Right. Right. 11:31 They'll either have to start fucking, you know, each other and, and being inbred like the royal family had to do, 'cause nobody wanted to sleep with them either. Okay, yes. We can make them extinct- Yes, this is true... 11:40 like an animal species that just stops- We could... fucking in the wild. Right. Right. Yes. Yeah. No more Trumps. There's an end of a bloodline- Oh my gosh... 'cause they can't get pussy. Right. There you go. 11:50 That would be brilliant. Oh my gosh. Um, how did you first start getting into crypto? Um, I got fucked over by Snapchat Fuck Snapchat. [laughs] Fuck IPOs. I hate Snapchat. Fuck TD Ameritrade- I hate-... 12:02 and fuck Wells Fargo. Yes. But like, I, I tried doing, uh, a thing. So I got-- I was working at a cell phone repair shop for years, dude. Whoa. I'd been fixing the iPhone 3. Okay. I have the PhD in logic board repair. 12:15 Nice. I was in to get it. Like, I pa- I can do it, you know? I just don't got the-- Like, I don't have a driver's license, but I can drive a car. You know what I mean? Right. Right. 12:22 So I, I, I was fixing phones, doing logic board repair. Right. I saved up my first, like, $10,000 and I'm like, I can't even remember a time when I was selling drugs that I had a couple grand, you know? Like- Right... 12:34 if I wasn't selling drugs, I didn't have money, so I had a day job. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I had real money in a bank account. Right. Provable income. I got credit. It was cool. I felt like an adult. Yeah. Hair on my chest. 12:43 I'm growing up. There you go. What do I do with this money that I don't need to spend right now that, you know, tomorrow, when eggs go up and bread and milk and gas and everything goes up tomorrow- Mm-hmm... 12:53 I didn't pay all that in advance with, when the value was at where it's at. What can I do to, like, make sure that if, when I need that 10 grand- Mm-hmm... I can spend it on the same stuff today and- Mm... 13:03 time later so that way- Right... it doesn't lose purchasing power? Right. So I was, like, looking into stuff like, you know, stocks, bonds, blah, blah, blah. I came across Snapchat doing an IPO. 13:14 I skipped the DYOR on what IPO meant. Mm, yeah. But I really went into Snapchat. I saw they had the Spectacles vending machine. Oh. Do you guys remember Spectacles? Bro, they had a vending machine for Snapchat Ray-Bans. 13:25 These, these are so old mentality. Snapchat was already doing this before, like 2015. Wow. It's crazy. Yeah. They had a, a, a contract with the Winter Olympics. They had, like, vending machines and all this bullshit. 13:37 Crazy. It was all hype by the rumor, right? Ah. Like, before the IPO. Now I know. It was all by the rumor. So like, you know, I, I was looking into it. Um, I saved up the money. Right. I downloaded the TD Ameritrade app. 13:48 I'm trying to figure it out. Right. I don't know what to do. Right. I go to the bank where I had my direct deposit, Wells Fargo, and I waited in line like a schmuck. 13:56 I sat down and, like, waited for the person at the desk. I don't know, like, the little, what are they called? Bank tellers or bankers- Mm-hmm... or whatever the- Yeah, yeah. Loan officers, maybe... that person. Yep. 14:05 And, uh, I didn't know really what-- I still don't know what they're called. It's nice. Um, but- Sure. No problem... 14:10 yeah, I, I, I waited and I sat down, and they were asking me why am I here, and they checked my account and all this. Well, they actually, first they checked my account. They saw I had like 10 or 11 grand in it. Right. 14:19 And they're like, "Oh, how can I help you? Do you need a loan or something?" And I'm like, "No, I wanna buy Snapchat stocks." Mm-hmm. And the guy, like, laughed right in my face. 14:26 Like, they, like, not even trying to be mean, just was like genuinely like, "What the, what?" Right. And I'm like, "No, I, I, I, I don't know. Like, don't banks sell stocks? I don't... Like, what do you-" Yeah. 14:36 "What do you guys even do here?" Like [laughs] I was con- Right, right, right, right [laughs]... so confused. I was like 25, bro. [laughs] Like 24 maybe, you know? Wow. And I'm like so confused- Yeah, yeah... 14:43 on what's happening. Right. And he's like, "No, we don't do that." And he, he walked me through the TD Ameritrade thing. Right. 14:49 Um, he kinda showed me what was up, walked me through the IPO, accredited investing- Right... uh, a million dollars or more, or a group of like four or less or something like that. But I mean, it was, it's... 14:59 And it's supposed to be, like, provable money that you could spare, like if it disappeared, it wouldn't ruin your life type shit. Mm-hmm. 15:04 And I, I was like, well, like, why don't they have that at, at the casino before I go in? Like, like if I go- Right... into a casino and I only have-- like, I'm, if I live paycheck to paycheck- Right... 15:14 there's nobody at the casino to stop me from putting the paycheck I just got Friday night on black. Right. I can risk my paycheck and at, at the casino if I lose it, I lose my wife, my kids, my house. 15:24 You know what I mean? Right. Yeah. Like, everything could be all from, like, a, a roulette table. So I, I didn't really understand- Mm-hmm... 15:29 the gatekeeping and, like, so I got a little upset about it, you know, and I, like, waited, you know, till it was public 'cause, like, that's all you could do. Right. 15:38 As soon as it went public, um, well the IPO I think was like $2 or something, right? Mm-hmm. It went public, it was like 20-something dollars, bro. Right. Oh, wow. And I went all in. Okay. 15:46 All in, like the whole 10 stack. Damn. Yeah. Okay. Like, the second I could. Right. Guess what happened? Yeah. Crashed to like $4 and never recovered, bro. It crashed. Right. From 20-something dollars crashed to four. 15:57 Man. And I'm looking, I'm like, the IPO was two. It, it public release was 20-something. Right. It crashed immediately to four and leveled out. Man. 16:05 And I'm looking at, oh, everybody that's in the IPO still doubled their money. Right. And that's where they left it. Oh. They just stopped selling off. They, they doubled their money. Okay. 16:13 And I just felt like the biggest schmuck, like- Yeah... the dinner for schmucks but at TD Ameritrade, you know? It was so annoying, and I just was a, I was very, like, upset, so I took all of my money out that I had. 16:24 Right. I went to the bank. I closed my bank account, stopped doing direct deposit, uh, got paper checks and everything. I was like, "I'm out of the system. I'm done with this." Right. 16:32 And, like, somebody whispered to me, "Yo, bro, you know, like, you can invest in weed." I'm like, "That, like, that's so stupid. Shut up, bro." And they're like, "No, check it out. 16:40 There's, on TD Ameritrade," which I kinda was familiar with, with the whole Wells Fargo loan officer [laughs]. Right. Um, I saw a bunch of cannabis stocks for, like, pennies. Wow. 16:50 And I only had a couple hundred dollars out of 1,000, $10,000 left. [laughs] So it was like YOLO. Wow. Who cares? What's the... You know what I mean? I'm- Yeah... paycheck to paycheck after this anyway. Right. Right. 17:00 And, um, I, I went all in, you know, diversified across the board of every single, like, you know, agriculture that was due to cannabis, patent, uh, like vape pen stuff. Wow. The, uh, all of it. 17:12 I just went all in, and a couple months later it just blew up from pennies to dollars. Mm-hmm. And I, I had money again. Wow. And I was like- Incredible... "Okay. I'm out of it." I, I closed my TD Ameritrade. 17:22 I cashed out. I had f- a fucking shoebox with, like, maybe 20 grand physical cash. Damn. Like, I'm, I, I was like- You're set, bro... the universe saved me. I, I was saved. You're set. Thank you, universe. That's right. 17:32 Like, not only did I recoup, I made money. There you go. I was like, oh, like, it gives mebumps just thinking about it, bro. Right. Right. 'Cause it's like- You made money... it was my f- made money off of- Yeah... 17:42 after, I was l- like life lessons, bro. Like- Right... that's why it's hard to be knocked down and be upset about it. Mm. You know? If you fall enough, you learn how to do cartwheels. 17:50 [laughs] That's, hey, that's a great analogy. That's what I'm saying. I love that. You know? I love that. Fall with style. Buzz Lightyear your shit. Fall with style. Yeah, that's right. 17:56 That's what I'm, you know what I mean? So- I, I had all this money. My buddy knew how upset I was about IPOs. Right. Shout out to Matthew Harris. I don't think I've ever said his name out loud, bro. Hmm. 18:07 Uh, uh, thank you. 'Cause he was working w- I got him the job at the cellphone repair shop. Oh, wow. And he was just like, you know, overhearing all the bullshit, and he said, "Dude, there's, like, an ICO for Ethereum. 18:17 You should check out the ICO." Mm-hmm. And I'm like, "Dude, I just got screwed by an IPO." He's like, "No, an ICO, no credit investing, no KYC, no nothing, bro. Just a wallet. You send money to it- Right... 18:29 and it sends the thing back to you." Wow. And I was like, "Oh, okay. Cool, let me check it out." Yeah. And I, I mean, I didn't really get into the ICO. I waited for Coinbase and all. 18:37 But I, I listened to, um, Vitalik talk about the internet of m- uh, of things or whatever, and- Sure... Andreas Antonopoulos I got to, talking about- Oh, okay... the internet of money. Yep. 18:48 And I was like, "Oh, shit, yeah. If, like, my computer needs to, like, pay for, like, processing power that offsite, it's gonna need a wallet. It's gonna need money. It's gonna need a way to pay another computer." Hmm. 18:59 Computers don't, like, live in America or, like, acknowledge a count- like, their residence is the internet. Their country is the internet. The government's the internet. The currency should be- The internet... 19:08 from the internet. Yeah. So I was like, "Dude, it just makes money. The internet of money, and then the internet of things." And I was like, the, yeah, Ring doorbells. 19:15 I was-- There's a video on YouTube for me doing Ring doorbell stuff, like, boy, five or 10 years before Shark Tank. No joke. No way. 19:21 I was using, uh, voice over IP, Wi-Fi, and If This Then That app on Google Play Store- That's nuts, man... and I would root my device, set my phone up at my front door, and I had it thing charged. 19:32 My mom hated it 'cause I was, like, it was, like, in the window of the front door plugged into, like, the wall. But, like, if you walked up, the proximity sensor would get triggered on the phone- Right... 19:40 and it would immediately send me a picture of who was at the door, 'cause I had a room all the way upstairs in a three-story house. Wow. 19:46 So, like, I didn't wanna have to keep wondering if my friends were at the door or if it was the mailman or somebody for my mom. Right. So yeah, I did Ring doorbell way before Ring doorbell. Anyway- Wow... 19:54 so I got into the crypto stuff- Yeah... of, with my buddy Matt Harris, and I went all in with that 20 grand, man. Like, uh, Bitcoin was, like, $400. 20:03 I wrote an article about, like, how to buy Bit- I, I don't know what a Bitcoin is, but I own one. It's on Medium from, like, 2015. Wow. Uh, it was, like, $400 a Bitcoin or $420. Wow. Round that number on it, it's funny. 20:15 Hey, yeah. And, uh, I, I bought so many [laughs] Bitcoin. No way. And I bought so many Ethereum and so many Litecoin, and about a year or two later, I retired. I was a millionaire. I quit my day job. Wow. 20:27 I made a video on, you know, uh, this is my last day. Or no, I made a, put my two weeks v- two weeks notice in video, and then two weeks later I did this is my last day video. Right. 20:36 And, um, about a week or two later, I got hacked and lost everything. [laughs] No. Are you for real? It was-- Oh, and it's so crazy 'cause an anonymous video- Oh my gosh... 20:47 somebody made an anonymous video about me, about hacking me. Like, ano- "We are anonymous. Ken Bozak, we have taken your assets." No. I'm not kidding, bro. It's so scary. I woke up, my phone was reset factory. 20:59 My computer was factory reset. No. 21:01 They had access to my AOL Instant Messenger, my MySpace, Dropbox, everything you can think of that I could have logged into from, like, AOL Instant Messenger till, you know, Bitcoin 2015, 20s- or 2017, I guess, when this happened. 21:15 Everything was taken from me. 21:17 And, um, eventually I started a new YouTube channel, so it went liv- or no, they gave me access to my YouTube channel so I could go live, and they were talking to me in my live stream trying to, like, fuck with me and extort me. 21:27 So I just, like, stopped streaming of, you know, whatever. John McAfee reached out to me. The John McAfee? The John fucking McAfee. Why did he reach out to you? Rest in peace to my motherfucking dad. 21:38 Why did he reach out to you? What was- 'Cause he saw what I went through. Oh. You know? He saw that I was hacked. He saw, like, anonymous videos. He saw, like- Right, right. 21:44 So he saw, he saw the sh- It was so unbelievable, bro. Right, right. It was like- Yeah, that's interesting... insanely scary. Yeah. So- Did you, did you, like, have a friendship with him or? Oh, yeah. 21:55 He sent me a Sentinel sensor, which was, like, this honeypot thing that I- Huh... had to put between my router- Yeah... my ethernet cable, and my computer. Right. 22:03 So everything ran through the honeypot to see if anybody was sending in packages- Okay. Wow... so we could have them think they were in the system. And while they're in the system, we're back hacking. But- Mm-hmm... 22:12 it was impossible to backtrack it. 22:14 Like, we really think that the time, like, came down to somebody knew where I lived, 'cause all my YouTube videos, which you can still see on YouTube, I walked out of my front door of my apartment, I walked down the street about 5 to 10 minutes to work every single day for two years. 22:28 I made a YouTube video every single day- Wow... walking to work, 'cause I worked every day, seven days a week. Right. Every day I had to walk to work 'cause I don't like driving. Right. So I-- it was a 10-minute walk. 22:37 It was in a shopping plaza right down the street from my apartment complex. So I was like, it's a perfect amount of time, 10, 11-minute walk to work. Mm-hmm. Sometimes... 22:44 Oh, I kinda took the longer way 'cause the shorter way was, like, five or six minutes. [laughs] So I would walk and talk about the news articles I read while I was shit, showering, and shaving, getting ready for work. 22:52 Mm-hmm. I'd read two or three articles. It would make me feel some type of way, and I'd talk about it on my way to work every day for years. Wow. And, uh, so yeah, when John reached out- Yeah... 23:03 he kinda helped me out with some finances, helped me start over. Wow. You know, um, I think his involvement period got people to leave me alone. Mm. 'Cause it n- it was like I was never contacted. 23:13 They have access, whoever did this, they had all my nude photos, all my sex tapes. Oh my gosh. You know, anything you could imagine that would be in your cloud or in- Yikes... in your computer, on your phone. 23:21 Like, it was, it was... And it's from, like, you know, when I was young. Like, I started using technology when I was, like, 13, right? So- Right. So everything from 13... 23:29 every, from when I was a minor up, they had it, and they were, like, threatening me. And when John got involved- Whoa... it all went away. All of it went away. 23:36 So, you know, I feel like he kinda, like, not only saved my life, but at least, like, my peace of mind. Like, I feel so much safer knowing, like, even though he's gone, I still know he's watching over me. 23:46 I feel safer for it. No, that's beautiful. I absolutely love that. And talk to me a little bit about, you know, your experience dealing with other, let's say, crypto KOLs and- Fuck those dudes, bro. 24:00 Because I've always seen crypto- Whoever calls themself a KOL, first off, I don't fuck with you. Right. Right. Like, don't follow me, don't engage with me. Yeah. 24:07 If you wear that with a badge of honor, I don't even like you from the inside out. Thank God. Okay. Yeah. And I never would've liked you even before. 24:14 I mean, before crypto, I probably wouldn't have fucked with you on the playground. Right, right, right. The fact that you were like, "I'm a KOL," man- Right... fuck you, you clown. Right. Right. 24:23 But they don't retweet, they don't engage- Yeah... and the only way they have what they have- Mm... is because people do that for them. Right. Right. And I don't understand it, but I do now. Me neither. I do now. 24:32 It's all coming out with these bots, these farms. Oh. None of these KOLs have followers, bro. None of them. No, no. None of them. It's all faked. It's all bot bullshit, bro. It's so botted. 24:43 You do so much more in this space than 90% of the people that get more engagement than you- I know... and it pisses me off on your behalf. Yeah. And the people that you fuck with- Mm-hmm... 24:53 the influencers and the KOLs that doing your challenges, doing your show- Mm... they don't even retweet your shit- I know... that you're tagging them in. I know. 25:01 It pisses me off because their timeline has to just be them and only them- Right... because God forbid their audience knows you exist, because you might get some of their algorithm impressions- Mm... 25:11 so you'll take away from their monetization, their money. Like, they can't risk letting anybody in the planet that fuck with them know they fuck with you- Right... 25:19 because they might fuck with you more than they fuck with them. The risk is too high and they don't hit- Mm... that retweet button. Right. We gotta stop retweeting people that don't retweet you. Right. 25:28 Stop hooking these influencers and KOLs up with impressions, engagement, and monetization. Right. Take it back. Make them retweet you before you retweet them. Right. They're making so much money off of you, you sheep. 25:41 Mm-hmm. Like, a- and these are the people that are like, "Oh, I don't drink Coke 'cause it's poison." Right. But you retweet fucking BitBoy or whatever. Right. Right. Like, you know what I'm saying? 25:49 [laughs] Yeah, make it make sense. Right. Make it... Please make it make sense. [laughs] Why do people fuck with Wendyo? You know, why do people fuck with BitBoy? Wendyo. Why do people fuck with- Oh... 25:57 all these people, like, that are in the space that are just- Mm... absolutely for sale? They're cameos. Right. Like, and, and it goes for anybody. I don't care how much money an influencer or KOL has provably. Right. 26:08 Kevin O'Leary has a fucking cameo. Mm. Every billionaire has a price. Yeah. So, I don't care how much money you have. Yeah. There's no credibility in your words. Right. 26:15 You are bought and paid for, and I know because you don't retweet the shit I say. Right. Right. Yeah. No, that's, that's facts. I'm over it, bro. That's facts. 26:24 I'm over these fake friends that only fuck with me so I can be in a selfie with them. Right. And like, I'll retweet it, but they won't retweet my shit. Like, what's up with that? That doesn't make any sense. 26:33 It's like reciprocity. Fuck them all, man. I hope they all get demonetized, deplatformed. [laughs] Okay. I hope they lose their passwords, you know what I'm saying? Right, right. No, I hope their wallet's drained. 26:42 I hope their 2FA gets fucking, they, that- Hi- hijacked and-... like, jacked. Yeah... yeah. Right... fuck all of it. Seriously, man. Yeah. I just... Hope they lose their private keys. 26:50 I'm so ready for, like, a new, like- Oh my God. Some of them... reset in this space 'cause- Yeah... it ain't... Like, Michael Terpin is the biggest, like, he's the crypto godfather. 26:59 That dude's the biggest con artist in crypto. Tokenize is literally a scamming con artist shill fest. Right. Like, it's all a scam. It's a show. Right. 27:09 And then they invite these KOLs in a tiger mansion 'cause it's a cool venue for like, you know, Instagram pictures. Right. And they use these KOLs and influencers. They invite them for free food, free drinks- Yeah... 27:19 but even the KOLs influencers don't mind that their brands are being used or their credibility is being used for these VC bullshit scams or these hedge fund scammers- Mm... because they get free Instagram moments. 27:30 They get the viral opportunities- Right. Yeah... the monetized area that they're invited into for free. Plus they're- Right... fed and they're drank for free, and they get to have, like, a DJ perform. 27:39 And so, like, oh yeah, I got to do this thing for free, but you sold your soul. Right. You sold your soul. 27:44 And th- you know that feeling, like, if you don't know if you sold your soul or not, that feeling that you get that prevents you from hitting the retweet button, that feeling- Mm... 27:54 is how you know that you have sold your soul. You're not even allowed to be yourself. You're not you. You haven't been you. You don't even know what authenticity even feels like. Yeah. That's crazy. 28:06 KOLs, man, they're a fucking joke. The term's a joke. It came from Clubhouse and Spaces. People that ha- like, got into crypto- Yeah, I was curious. Yeah... like, three days ago- Where did that come from?... 28:15 and came out with a terminology- Right... that everybody used immediately. Right. Right. Yeah, like, where did KOL come from anyway? Yeah. Because they wanted to be like the CEOs, CMOs, CFOs- Oh... 28:24 CTOs, so they wanted a three-letter acronym- Gotcha... that would get them in the club. Right, right, right. You know? No, that makes sense. That makes sense. 28:30 And if you wanna be in, in, in the, in the play- Gotta have an acronym... you have to be a part of the show. Right. Yeah. You know, what's your role? Yep. You can't be unscripted, you know, background actor. 28:38 You have to have KOL. Right. Right. No, that's- You KOLs need to keep on learning. They really do. Yeah. [laughs] Keep on l- yes. I love that. I love that. 28:53 Um, so let's [laughs] I, I'd love to come back to some of your conferences experiences because- Yeah, there's a lot... I, I feel like there's a lot. Hundreds. Over 400. 29:05 Because that, that's what you mainly do, I feel like. That's all I do. You go to a conference and, and what do you do at conferences mostly? I like to interview the booths, man. Like- Okay. Talk to me about that. Yeah... 29:12 nobody pays me. I'm not, like, you know, I'm not on sponsors, you know, sh- you know- Right... like, but, like- Mm-hmm... I just went out of my own pocket and, like, the, like, feeling I had was like- Right... 29:21 these people that paid, like, 20, 30 grand for a booth- Mm-hmm... no con- Not a lot... I, like, every few I noticed no con- content creators or whatever, even me, was going to them. Right. 29:32 Nobody was asking them about their new project. You know, they're spending so much money- Right... and they're not getting any, like, you know- Mm... uh, of that, like, ripple effect. Right. 29:40 And I noticed over the years some of the booths weren't there anymore. Mm. And it broke my heart and I'm like, "Why?" And I'm like, 29:46 they did all that they could and they thought they needed to do more, but it was us- Yeah... that didn't do enough for them when they were done doing what they needed to do, right? Right. We needed to do more for them. 29:55 Right. So, I was like, let me interview every booth at every conference to help them get the word out. Right. Like, at the Bitcoin Conference, I saw the NicNac Nicotine people. I th- I thought that was great. 30:04 They're getting into these- Mm... lozenges that are new with nicotine. They're accepting Bitcoin. That's cool. I'm trying to convince them to do a Cracker Jack box prize with NFTs inside. So- Ooh, that'd be fun... 30:14 y'all need to pressure NicNac Nicotine to put Cracker Jack prizes in there so you can get an NFT. And I told them- Mm... look, companies will pay you to put the NFT inside it. Right. 30:23 So, you could be a net zero profit company. Like- Right... it will cost you nothing to make what you sell- Right... because you'll be paid to make it. Just because you'll put that thing in it. Right. 30:32 The, like, so now what you sell is zero MSRP. What do you wanna sell it at? Mm. It's all profit now. That's huge. That's a great So yeah, that's what I like to do. 30:41 I like to meet projects, give them ideas, help them out- Mm-hmm... interview them, get them exposure- Mm-hmm... take selfies with them, even though nobody know. You know what I mean? 30:49 Everybody else wants to get a selfie with a speaker. I stopped interviewing speakers in like 2017, 2018. Wow. I interviewed everybody that, like, was anybody, and I'm like, "I don't need to interview them twice." 30:58 Everybody that... And the- that's how you know they're shitty influencers, shitty KOLs. If you need to talk to somebody like Charlie Lee more than once for an hour- Hm... 31:05 you're wasting his time, our time, your time, 'cause you're making them repeat themselves. Right, right. You just didn't listen the first time you talked to him. Exactly. You know what I mean? I do know what you mean. 31:14 I don't need to waste my friend's time. Like Charlie Lee- Mm-hmm... he's a busy dude. Charles Hoskinson's a busy dude. Like- Yes... 31:19 I would love to hang out and talk to them all the time, but how do I justify the hour a day outside of like, "Let's do a podcast and talk about the same shit you talked about on the other podcast you were just on"? 31:27 Right. Right. Yeah. That's... I gotta come at them with a different angle, and that's what I'm doing now- Mm-hmm... with the Not Another Bitcoin podcast. So I'm gonna be talking to these people- Mm-hmm... 31:35 like, on anything but Bitcoin, man. I wanna know what, like, their daily, like, routine is. What's their head space, you know- Right... their emotional, like, you know, rollercoaster throughout the day or year. 31:44 Like- Mm-hmm... like, what is their, you know... Are they nihilists, you know, anarchists? Are they, what do they think of th- this or that? 31:50 And pick their brains on things that just could be sort of that would help you understand why they're in crypto without them telling you- Mm... why they're in crypto. Yeah. Let's talk more about your podcast. 32:00 How long have you been running it? Like, how did it get started? Oh, man. Not Another Bitcoin podcast started in, uh, January, right? That's the first month of the year. Yes. Yes. 32:11 Yeah, 'cause February comes next, and that's second. Cool. Yeah. So yeah, I did it in January of 2016, and that's because I wa- Wow... I was, uh- It's been around for a minute then. Yeah, man. Yeah. 32:20 But I never monetized it. Ever, ever. Refused to, even when I was getting views and all that engagement. Oh. Refused. And after a while, when you refuse to e- monetize- Mm-hmm... the algorithm ignores you. Oh. 32:30 But I didn't wanna get monetized 'cause I curse, I smoke, I've done topless episodes on YouTube, and you can't do that, like, your nipples showing and stuff, like- Right... when you're monetized. Yeah. I have music. 32:39 I have stuff I can play in the background 'cause it's not monetized, and I won't get strikes. Right. 32:43 But I've noticed people that got into crypto, once they're monetized, now their whole, like, way they talk, the words they don't say, it's, you're now on a whole new TOS. Mm. 32:54 And you have to self-censor for self-preservation because of monetization. And I, like, I don't, I don't know how to filter myself enough to be like, "Okay, it's worth the couple dollars a month I- I'll earn- Right... 33:07 to be, like, overthinking not to say the word fuck." [laughs] Like- Right. Right... not worth it. Not worth it. You have to be yourself. Yes. And I wanted to also justify people's time. 33:16 You know, I was a really big fan of the Bitcoin podcast. Or no- [laughs]... I'm sorry, the BTC podcast. Is that- I got the tattoo right here. Nice. Let's go. This is my Harvard University. This is my Yale. Wow. 33:27 This is where I went to school. I learned, I went and they started their podcast, I don't know, fucking 2014 something. It was years ago, right? Right. 33:34 But I st- I didn't listen to their first ep- you know, recent episode when I found them. Right. I went back to the first episode they ever did. Mm. I listened to every episode- Really?... 33:43 all the way up to the newest episode. Oh my gosh It took me months. Geesh Months, brother. But by the time I got to the fucking- Yeah... up-to-date episode- Yeah... I felt like they were family. I knew their f- Wow... 33:53 like, 'cause they talked about their lives, their personal. Like, it was so- Right. Right... powerful. 33:58 And to me, and it, it just was like, light, lit a light bulb over my head 'cause they had so many amazing guests, and they were nice enough to let me come on. And my first podcast ever- Right... 34:07 my first interview ever- Right... was it, with Andreas Antonopoulos. Nice. I, I- Wow... that was like- That's huge... talk about starting in the deep end. Seriously. 34:17 You know, it was like st- talk about starting on hardcore mode. Right. Like, it was amazing. Yeah. And, and then from there I said, "You know, I'll start my own podcast, and I'll reach out to people, and- Mm-hmm... 34:26 it'll justify them giving me an hour of their time because it's not just me selfishly doing it behind the scenes offline. Right. It's sharing it. 34:34 And I think people that are guests on podcasts see the value in what they have to say, like I do with you in this. Yeah. That people will hear, right? 34:42 So it justifies the fact that, like, I'm sitting here doing you, this with you now, rather than being outside smoking, having a different experience, right? Like- Right... there's value that isn't for me, it's for them. 34:52 Right. And I wanted my guests to see that I had a them- Mm. Mm-hmm... to provide value to as well. It's not just- Right... me asking questions for my own benefit. Right. It's for the world. It is. 35:01 And, uh, I, I interviewed Dimitri Buterin. Oh, wow. Roger Ver, Charlie Lee. Oh, I mean, all these people. Brock Pierce, Trace Mayer. Amazing, amazing people. 35:12 And, uh, it's, it was like a crash course through, like, I didn't have to go to school 'cause I had one-on-one with every teacher that did lectures. Mm-hmm. I didn't need to buy a book or read a book. 35:21 I still have not read the white paper, and I'm wearing it on my chest. Wow. Okay. Like, shout out to Blockchain Wayne, Bl- Bitcoin Siaka. But, like, I, I never read the white paper. 35:31 Don't need to 'cause I talked to enough people that already have that I, I understand. Mm-hmm. You know what I mean? Like- Yeah... I don't need to read a book, 35:38 you know, uh, about a guy who's trying to teach me how to re- ride, ride a bike. Right. I'm just gonna ride a bike. Yeah. And that's what I did. 35:46 I got right into crypto, started using it for as it was, and the podcast was a good way, too, 'cause I, I, it was... 35:53 I don't know if I like this angle 'cause you, you motherfuckers might steal it, but I used it for guerrilla marketing and for social engineering. Like, I wanted- The podcast? Dude, I snuck into my first conference. 36:02 That's how I met Consensys team, and- Right... that's why they follow me. That's why they're family. That's why they invite me every year. Like, I love Consensys. But- Yeah... 36:10 I, I, I wanted to go to conferences for free. Right. And how do you do that without providing value? So I, I was like, "Podcast provides value." It does. I applied to every conference as press, and some said no. 36:21 I snuck in. I did some press. They caught me. They kicked me out. Yeah. I'm still doing interviews in the lobby. I had a lobby con. Nice. 36:28 Eventually, one of the organizers would find out what's going on, and I'd be invited in every time. Wow. Token2049 follows me. Money20/20 follows me. Consensys follows me. The only one that doesn't follow me anymore... 36:39 is the Bitcoin Conference, 'cause in 2021 I started the Shitcoin Conference. But they used to follow me. Futurist, Futurist follows me. Litecoin Summit follows me. Wow. 36:47 I mean, you name it, they follow it 'cause I met them through sneaking in, getting kicked out. Wow. Uh, there, you know, plenty of people have stories of seeing me getting, like, kicked out of conferences. 36:56 Crypto Chicks, Vitalik's mom threw me out by my ear 'cause I snuck in to interview Ben- Oh... uh, Ben Goertzel, the father- Oh... of Sophia. Okay. I snuck in to interview him. Yeah. 37:06 I got my interview, but I didn't have a badge. She noticed, they kicked me out. Oh. I got back in. Vitalik, Vitalik was nice enough to ask his mom to give me a free ticket, 'cause I was- Nice... 37:14 yeah, I was outside smoking with Vic, Vic- Yeah... Vic, and, uh, Vitalik came out and saw me with Vic, and he was like, "Hey man, like, what's going on?" I'm like, "I can't, your mom kicked me out." 37:22 [laughs] And he was kind of, like, instantly like, um, like, you know, "Oh, I'm sorry." And, you know, it was really cool of her to be, like, understanding 'cause I showed her, I'm like... 37:30 And again, it was all social engineering, but it's fucking Vitalik's mom, bro. Like, she ain't gonna be socially engineered. It, it worked. Right. I sent DMs and I'm like, "Hey, press," this, that, and the other. 37:39 And then I sent another DM saying, "Hey, thanks for the invite," and this, that. So when I got to the conference, I showed the people at the booth like, "Look, we're engaging with each other. You invited me." 37:47 And it was like, I tried the Jedi, you know, trick, and it didn't work on his mom. She was like, "I didn't invite you anywhere, bro. Like, I don't know you." And I was like, "Yeah, okay, I tried. It is what it is." 37:57 [laughs] You, you know, you can't hypnotize everyone with base commentary. But that's how I try. I mean, I literally show up to conferences with, uh, just that moment in that day while I'm standing in line. 38:06 I'll apply for the press pass. I get the email that says, "Thank you for registering." Right. And I get in line, they're like, "Hey, where's your..." 38:11 I was like, "I got the email that said thank you, but I never got a follow-up." And they're like, "Oh, I'm so sorry. You never got a follow-up email, like, here's your ticket." Mm-hmm. 38:18 And I did that in Vegas recently with Daryl. There was a conference here- Mm... for, like, uh, Google applications. It was, like, the world's largest North American- Whoa... Google Apps conference. 38:29 But I social engineered my way into there as a influencer for Google Apps, and I gave my badge to Virtual Growth, shout out to VG. 38:36 And he-- we had free food, free drinks with that badge, and I social engineered my way into it. Wow. That's amazing. 38:43 That's why I like, like, you know, going to conferences too, 'cause for me it's like the reverse of an escape room. [laughs] I, like, don't care about the ticket. 38:51 I never thought of it like that, reverse of an escape room. Yeah, it's so fun. It really is. It is. Justin Sun helped me sneak into Token 2049. He did? I didn't have a ticket. Oh my gosh. I was hanging out in the lobby. 39:03 I saw Justin, I was like, "Bro," and he, you know- Yeah... "Ken," 'cause we engaged before that, right? Oh, okay. So he knew I stand the fuck out a little bit, bro- Right, right... especially in fucking Hong Kong. 39:12 [laughs] Oh, yeah. Yeah, you would. You would in Hong Kong. Right. So he was like, "Yeah." I'm like, "Dude," and he had security, like six fucking big-ass security guards, bro. No way. Oh, shit. Like, but we're talking. 39:21 Yeah, yeah, yeah. And he was beelining it into the conference. Okay. And he just, like, didn't know, but, like, I didn't have a ticket, bro. Like- Right, right, right... 39:27 and I didn't expect the opportunity, but I, you know, I took it, and he walked me right into Token 2049 'cause his security stopped their security from even messing with us. Right, right. 39:35 So as soon as we got in, he was like, "All right, I gotta go on stage," you know, whatever, and I don't listen to speakers. I watch them on YouTube after I'm done with the conference. Right. 39:41 You can't get that time back, bro. But that video is recorded. You can watch it when you're leaving. Please don't listen to speakers speaking at conferences. 39:48 Even if you're their biggest fan, you, you cannot get that time back. Mm. It's being recorded. Right. You do have to travel home. ROI, bro. Like, use that time to watch that, right? Right, yeah. There you go. 39:59 And use the time instead to mingle in the hallway. Right. So I told Justin, "Yo, bro, I'll be back." I went to booths. I found Ellipal, which is awesome. Mm. They were the first air-gapped wallet in a hardware wallet. 40:09 I'm like, "You guys air-gapped it?" Like, fuck yeah. Trezor was like- Wow... the first to do this- Let's go... and they didn't even air-gap. Like, so I was really excited to meet that. And anyway, security found me. 40:18 I was live streaming. No. I was live streaming, and then security found me. Yeah. And I didn't have a ticket or a badge or nothing, and then I'm doing all these interviews one by one. 40:26 It wasn't, like, legit 'cause I knew I was gonna get kicked out. That's why I was live streaming. And, um, I got kicked out. The live stream kinda went viral 'cause it was, like, a funny way I got kicked out. Hmm. 40:37 And the, the organizer of Token 2049 came out to the, uh, lobby and said, "Hey Ken, look, this video, whatever, it's not, like, a really good look, and I'm sorry," whatever. You know, "It's not cool what you did." 40:47 Um, but I s- you know, uh, he saw value in me being there. I didn't... You know, it was cool the way he handled it. Mm-hmm. You know? And he was like, "If you delete that video, I'll give you a press pass. 40:57 You can come into Token 2049." And I told him, "I'm not deleting the video. Like, just because you said that..." Like, I didn't say it like that, but, like, I was like, "I'm not deleting the video." 41:05 And he said, "All right. I understand." Then he just gave me the badge and kinda walked away in defeat. I felt so bad- Hmm... that I deleted the video. 41:12 But I didn't, I didn't wanna delete it just 'cause I felt extorted or whatever, bribed to. Like, I felt, I deleted the video because I felt bad. Like, oh, he's right. I, like, I disrespected him. Hmm. 41:21 I made the aff- whatever. It wasn't cool what I did. 41:23 And I totally agree, it wasn't cool, but, like, it's also not cool to have tickets for, like, thousands and thousands of dollars when the technology's so new that people that need to learn about it can't afford to learn about it. 41:32 Right. It's like, it's gatekeeping information. Right. 41:35 And I'm sure the booths were appreciating the acknowledging I was giving them, and the, like, you know, the, my, my audience was aware of their existence and whatever. So anyway- Right... 41:44 uh, Token 2049, you know, they follow me. They invited me out. I actually just fought in Singapore at Token 2049 in, uh- Wait, wait, wait... Crypto Fight Night. I got knocked out. What? 41:54 I got knocked out in the third round by- Who knocked you out?... Grimace. But that dude is a beast. Oh my god. He's on, like, every steroid imaginable. Okay. That dude has been training for a decade. 42:04 He's- That's not fair... he's KO'd six people in a row. Wow. And, like, I'm the only person that didn't, like, fall asleep. He-- I, I got a TKO. I got knocked to the ground three times and- Damn... I had 30 seconds left. 42:15 Right. Uh, and Grimace knows I'm talking shit. Shut the fuck up. He knocked me out. I'm gonna say he's on steroids, you assholes. Probably. Probably. I'm gonna say whatever the fuck I want. 42:25 Plus, he was overweight and I was underweight, and that's legit, but that's my fault and a little bit of his fault. You know what I'm saying? Mm-hmm. And we still did the fight anyway. Right. Right. 42:33 I, I never even stepped on a canvas. I didn't spar. I refuse to really spar. Yeah. 'Cause like, I, I've been in fights, and I never trained for a fucking fight that I've been in. Like, you just hit me and I hit you back. 42:43 It's, I've been in fights. Right. Right. I've never had to be like, "Oh, I'm gonna get beat up tomorrow. Let me, like, train today." Right. So it's whatever. I didn't- Like, I did some training with Macaque Flow. Mm-hmm. 42:53 You know, he's a fucking champ, bro. Like he, you know- Mm... taught me some techniques that really aren't applicable to first time fighters that I learned. 42:59 Like, once you're in the ring, bro, it's like you don't, you don't know shit. Your body is so retarded. You like, you... 43:05 Uh, yeah, it's like trying to follow people doing the electric slide when you've never seen the electric slide. 43:09 Like, [laughs] you're just gonna be bumping into people, you know, looking foolish, and I was tripping over my own two feet. It was... But it was so much fun that, like, the fun outweighs, like, whatever. 43:21 You know, who cares that I lost? I had hundreds of Asian girls screaming my name. [laughs] That's definitely something you need more of. I hope you don't edit the fact out that you're so tired- I am so tired... 43:31 you're nodding off during this interview- I am... because you're so overworked. You have barely slept. I have. You do so much. Thank you, bro. He's doing this. I acknowledge that. 43:39 [laughs] He has, he hasn't slept in, like, a week. He has. And he's looking, he's still working. I know. But, but you're- He's literally taking cat naps in between my questions and answers. 43:46 And I'm still asking you questions, and you're still- [laughs] Oh, no, you're the wrong... Oh, wait. No, no, this isn't shade. This is flowers. Flowers. You're a work- You're such a hard worker. Thank you, man. 43:53 And that's why I'm so mad. I appreciate that. I am so mad that the content creators, influencers, and KOLs that you- Yeah... are putting effort into- Right... aren't giving you the same, not even half of love back, bro. 44:04 Yeah. Well, it's- You guys should show more love to the people that love you. Reciprocation- Yes... matters. Yes. And when there is no reciprocation- Right... it becomes one-sided- Right... and that feels dirty. It does. 44:14 You guys should feel dirty when you don't hit the retweet button. Definitely. Definitely. I... Thank you. Thank you for acknowledging that. Thank you for acknowledging that I work hard. Yes, I know. 44:23 Yeah, I don't want them thinking you're nodding off- I think-... 'cause you're drunk and shit. [laughs] Like, this dude's so- I-... worked out, bro. I... Yeah Like, he's been traveling back and forth- Yes... 44:30 to the Teardrop Camper- I have... all the time. I have. He's out here editing, making content. Yes. Hosting as well. He's over here in the house host- Exactly, that's what I'm saying. 44:37 We did Spaces yesterday with the livestream- Oh, bro, nonstop, bro... and mint party that was over four hours. I saw you trying so hard to get in. I know. It was- I, I literally, we could spend- Yeah... 44:44 an hour talking about what you just did- Yeah... listing, not even talking about, just listing all the stuff that you've done since you've been in Vegas. This isn't about me, bro. This is about you, you know? 44:51 So- It's about us. It's about us, and it's about them, too. It's about you- That's right... me, and you watching. Right. Definitely. You're included, too. Yeah. No, I appreciate you, bro. 44:58 And you too, Cry- uh, Bitcoin Barbie, I see you. Yeah. Hi. Big shout-out. Shout-out. But anyway, no, I- [laughs] She, she photobombed our interview. All right, well, That's how you know it's a Ken Pozek interview. 45:11 Bro, I was interviewed at CIS after I talked to Steve Wozniak- Yeah... laying down on the ground. Somebody asked me, "Can I interview you?" Really? 45:17 And I was like, "Only if you let me lay down on the fucking ground, bro." Oh my gosh. There is an interview of me in the middle of the conference- Right... CIS LA Crypto Investment Summit. 45:25 I'm laying down on the ground in the middle of the whole conference, like, registration, everything. Right. And the dude in the suit with the fucking... He's, like, a news reporter. Right. He's like, "All right." 45:33 He laid down with me, and we did the interview laying down on the ground. They set the camera up on the tripod looking right down at us. Right. Oh my gosh. That's incredible. That's how you know. 45:40 Like, I don't- That's how you know... I don't do shit normally, like, 'cause then it feels there's too much pressure not to fuck up. Like- Right... you know when you wear a white T-shirt and you get a ketchup stain? 45:47 Yeah. It feels like 100 pounds just landed on your chest. It's so horrible. It's so horrible. Right? It feels like 100 pounds even though it's just a ketchup stain. Right. I'm good. 45:54 I, I, I'll add three more and make it a smiley face. Right. Right. 45:58 And I think another reason, like, I wanna do this even though I am tired, definitely physically, emotionally, like, it's just, it's been a week, you know, going through two different conferences, doing side events, hosting our own side event multiple times throughout the week, and then on top of that, yes, running a TV Survivor Crypto show. 46:14 It's a lot, fam. It's a lot, fam. It's a lot, but you know what? I'm really glad that- We're all doing a lot, though. Yeah, but you, you're- You know what I mean? 46:19 And, but, but it's like, how many times do we get to actually come together and actually do a live interview, you know? 46:27 It's like, it's, it's doesn't matter what we can do online, but at the end of the day, it's the human connection. It's the following through. 46:35 It's the showing up, too, and it's something that I've always, you know, prided myself in doing. 46:41 And, like, even when I met Yodi Denver, you know, it was really an experience, and I'm like, "I really need to interview this guy," right? I... 46:48 and, and I know you're leaving soon as well for Consensus, so, um, I just, you know, I want... I, I just don't know how much time we have left, you know. It's that sense of urgency. Dude, what if I died on that flight? 46:57 Exactly. This is what I'm saying, bro. On the flight to Consensus. You just, you don't know. You never know. You don't know. So it's- All we got is right now That's right. It's the present Always right now. 47:03 That's the present. That's the present. So that's, that's why I'm so tired, fam. I'm 100% with you. That's, and that's why we're doing this. And that's why we're doing this. I'm emotionally tired. So I, I... Yes, we are. 47:10 We both don't wanna do this as much as we want to do this, bro. Well, I wanna do it more than I don't wanna do it. That's why, that's why we're doing it. [laughs] No, that's why we're doing it. I feel you. I feel you. 47:18 But I'm also like, I feel that, right? Like, people- Yeah. Yeah. And, and, and I wanna get into something a little bit darker, if you don't mind. Like, a little bit about, like- Let's get darker... 47:26 why you think people don't like you or why you feel like people have sabotaged you over the last few years of you in crypto as you've been gaining a following, as you've been gaining momentum with your own. 47:38 Like, why do you feel like people give you shade, and, like, who are these people? Distanced themselves from me? Yeah. Yeah. Because I am known for calling out scammers. Right. Tell me more about that. 47:47 I have so many viral videos on Twitter about, like, confronting people in person. Mm. I am so o- I was over in 2016 when I did the video. Right. Like, '15, '17, whenever it came out. Right. 47:57 Like, I'm over, and I did, like, three or four. The last, most recent person I called out at a conference in person in front of people was Brian Rose from London Real. The dude's a piece of shit. He's a scammer. Yeah. 48:06 He was in the conference. He was a, a, an invited, like, person. Like, you- Okay... he should not be invited. He should be on the blacklist. Right. Like, it's weird. We need safe spaces. Right. Right. 48:15 But he's this actual provable scammer con artist. Right. Like, if he sued me, it would all come out in discovery. That's why Brian Rose will not sue me- Mm. Mm... for calling him a scammer and a con artist, right? 48:24 Like- Right... even if he does, the liv- the discoverability will come out and prove me right. He'll never do it. That's why scammers never sue me- Mm-hmm... 'cause I know. You know what I mean? Right. 48:33 I, I called out this guy Sean Kurtz from Klout.io. It was the very first, like, ICO I ever, like... I was like, "This is cool." 48:39 It was like Facebook decentralized and all this stuff, and it was, like, a way to monetize retweets, likes, and engagement, and all that. Right. I was like, "That's awesome." And then it was a scam. 48:48 It was a, my first rug pull of an ICO, and I was just like- Mm... "Damn, man." Like, it was such a good idea. All we had to do was- Right... take the money and do it. It wasn't even an impossible task. 48:57 You just didn't build it. You wanted to buy Lambo. So when I saw him at the conference, called him a scammer, made a video, called him a big-ass little midget. Oh. 49:04 People in the crypto space, if you say big-ass little midget, they're like, "Tim Jozak." [laughs] You know? Um, there was another one I called out, York Molt. Okay. He was invited to the Litecoin Summit. Mm-hmm. 49:15 He was a speaker- Yeah... at the Litecoin Summit. Right. He was on stage- Right... at the Litecoin Summit. Right. And he was telling people that he was Satoshi Nakamoto. Right. On stage- Right... 49:25 he said, "I am Satoshi Nakamoto." On the screen behind him- Right... it called him Satoshi Nakamoto, and he was telling people about how he created Bitcoin. Right. 49:33 All this stuff, and then he was walking around the venue of the Litecoin Summit telling people that he had the Satoshi Nakamoto school- Mm-hmm... invest in it, and all this stuff. And bro, like, I snapped. Mm. 49:43 Like, I heard somebody talk about him. Like, this dude is not Satoshi. This is a scam, and he's like, "Yeah, all right." So I took out my camera. You know, he smacked the hat off my head. 49:51 Things almost got physical, but I got kicked out. Whoa. He assaulted me, and I got kicked out. But that's how you know, like, some of these scammers- Yeah... 49:58 are so well or, like, in that they can get on the stages, and they'll get me kicked out, and he's in prison. The other guy's in prison. Nice. Brian Rose will be in prison soon. Ben fucking Senshi will be in prison soon. 50:10 Like- Yeah... all the people, like, they're... Ugh. Mm. But yeah, that's why these KOLs, influencers and shit, they distance themselves from me because I know- Mm-hmm... 50:20 if they, they know, [laughs] they know if I know- [laughs] Mm... what they're doing, I'm gonna call them out on it, and it won't- Right... be just between you and me. Right. It'll be as public as what you're doing. 50:30 Right. You know? Like, I wanna make sure everybody knows I found out something. Yeah. And they know that, so I'm not allowed in their groups, bro. I was at the, uh, Killer Whales TV show. See, uh, I was in it. 50:40 They, they filmed me. I'm in the show Killer Whales on Amazon Prime. Really? Season, season two. I'm sure they cut me out- Oh... 'cause I called Jason Derulo a fucking scammer because he showed up. 50:49 They were so happy, all these influencers- Oh, my God... all these KOLs that were there for the Killer Whales TV filming- Right, right. Yep, yep... in Hollywood. Right. 50:57 They were so excited to have Jason Derulo show up, and I'm like, "He's actually a scam." Like, he just gave... Did you not watch the Coffeezilla video? Right, right. 51:04 And they're, they're hugging him, dapping him, taking selfies, tagging him. I'm like, this is so parasitic. It's so crazy. You're parasites literally leeching on other parasites. Right. 51:13 How do you not get, like, you know, septic? [laughs] Sepsis or whatever. You're like- Yeah, yeah, yeah... how are you guys still surviving? Right, right. So they don't invite me out. Right. I don't really talk with them. 51:24 I'm in the group chats and shit, but, like- Right... that's 'cause, like, I guess we're friends, but, like, they know, like... I, I'm, I'm making snitching great again, bro. Make snitching great again. Seriously. 51:36 If you see something, say something. You know what I mean? Like, don't just- It's not that hard... don't just whisper it to somebody's ear. Like, if, like... 51:42 'Cause that's what happened to me with Bitcoin Ben and the Crypto Club, man. I had, like, two or three people come up to me and just whisper in my ear. Right, right, right. 51:48 And I wish it would've been a tweet, a YouTube video, or a public article. Right. Because that adds more, like, you know, you're not just a hater. You're not just envious of my bus- Like legitimacy... like, something. 51:57 Like actually legitimacy. Yeah, it definitely adds more credit. And I'm... Not even does it have to mean you're telling the truth, just, like, weight to it, right? Right. Yes. So like, you know? 52:03 And then I ignored these people that if they would've made a tweet otherwise would've immediately was like, "Okay, this is real." Right. 52:10 But just 'cause, like, I was in the position, you know, running the club and doing what I was doing in Vegas, it kinda was like a little jaded, envy, you know, uh, animosity type. 52:19 It was, like, hard to be like, what you're saying is, you know, the wreck. Right. 52:23 But if you would've just tweeted it to the world, not just to me and my position at the time within it, it wouldn't have been just for me to see- Mm... and I would've seen it, right? Right. 52:31 It would've been public knowledge that I could've consumed instead of just for me knowledge. Right, right. And then that's consumed differently. Right. 52:37 So I, I didn't really believe it, but yeah, it turned out I wasted my time at the Bitcoin Ben Crypto Club in Las Vegas. Damn. Ben Senshi is a con artist and a scammer, and I just, yeah, so- Oh, it's cool... 52:48 so if you see something, say something. Yeah. If you know, even if you can't prove it, if you know it, say it. Right. Right. 52:54 Because if they try to sue you for it, their lawyers and the government will find it through discovery. Mm. You don't even need to prove it. They have to prove what you said was a lie. Right. 53:03 You don't have to prove what you said was the truth. Right. So if you see something shady, say something immediately. Right, right. No, I, I absolutely love that. I think we should definitely speak up more. 53:12 Yeah, there's no excuses 'cause people always say, "I don't wanna get sued." Right. "I signed an NDA." First off, if you know- Right... it's a scam, the NDA don't have any weight. 53:19 So you're just not saying something 'cause you wanna keep getting paid. Right. You're, you're... 53:22 You have, like, a, you have some kinda allocation that's being, you know, given to you every couple weeks, and you don't wanna ruin your token allocation. Say something. Right. 53:31 It's like why, why don't people speak up more? Why don't they actually have a voice and actually- Because they can't get a job at McDonald's, so if this, if this goes away, they can't even flip burgers. 53:41 They have nothing. Right. Right. They genuinely have nothing. Yeah, that's the thing. They, they can't even get the most remedial physical IRL job. Mm. Stop tagging me. [laughs] Oh, my gosh. 53:52 Everybody, everybody engage with the Bitcoin Barbie so she doesn't go homeless. Oh, my gosh. I know, right? No. Uh, the BitcoinBarbie.cake.cash. I love cake. BitcoinBarbiecake.cash. I love cake. I love cake. 54:05 I l- what kind of cake? That kind of cake, bro. He'll find out. That kind of cake. Uh-huh. This kind of cake. [laughs] Oh, okay. Yeah, you are. No, no. Sweet dreams. I did wanna say, are you, you going to Consensus? 54:17 I'll see you there. Yes. The community helped me get there. Yeah. I'll see you there someday. Uh, dial.wtf. Oh, yeah. I'll hit you up. I'll drop you off. Mineswap.app. Yeah, yeah. Okay. Saloon Wallet. 54:27 I'll drop you off in the morning. Cash stamps. They helped me go to C- to Consensus, so I'll be there. All right. Yep. Have a good night. All right. So anyway, um- Yeah. People suck. [laughs] Me too, though, you know? 54:40 Like, that's another thing is, like, I know I get into my own shit where it's just like, oh, no, like I don't have the... 54:46 Like, I'd rather play video games, right, than be in your space sometimes, you know what I'm saying? Yeah. Like, and that bo- that makes me feel some type way even about myself. Like- Yeah... 54:53 like, dude, he's doing all this work. Like, oh, it doesn't take that much effort to just, like, pop on the space and lower- Right... the volume while I'm playing my game. Like- That's true... 55:00 I need to be more considerate of what I wish people would do for me and do that for them before they- Yeah... even do it for me. Definitely. Before you even feel like retweeting me, I'm gonna retweet you so much- Yeah... 55:09 when you see that button, it, it's gonna feel so bad if you don't hit it. Right. Right. I'm gonna over-engage. I got notifications turned on for every person I met in this house. Wow. Every person- Thank you... 55:19 in this house that I met- I appreciate that... notifications of all, all notifications are turned on. Mm. And I've been liking, retweeting. My timeline- I've seen it... doesn't even look like my timeline. 55:28 I've seen, I've seen that. Yeah. And that's how other timelines should look. You retweet, post a lot. You... Yes. I agree with you. More people should do that. But because they're monetized. Self-censorship- Right... 55:35 self-preservation- Right... monetization. It, it's- Right... ugh, it's all fake, bro. It's so fake. Everyone's so fake. Right. But how do you overcome that fakeness? Do this. Be uncomfortable. Go streaking. 55:49 Go to a nude beach. [laughs] Do something that you really, really, really, really don't wanna do outside- Right... your comfort zone- Right... 55:54 and get comfortable doing that and do that everywhere, and make everybody uncomfortable around you instead of you being uncomfortable around them. You know, if I... I was uncomfortable around all these suits. Right. 56:03 Now I dress the way I dress 'cause I know I make them uncomfortable when they see me- Mm... in the same room as them, bro. You know, I'm the shark that shows up. They're like- Right... "Oh, here's a megalodon." 56:12 Thank you. No shit, I see it when they see me enter the room- There you go... in pajamas and onesies, and they ask me- I love that... questions about shit. I'm like, "Yeah, I get it." Like- Right... 56:19 I made you uncomfortable. That's why I'm so comfortable in this environment now. Right. Right. You know? So that's how I do it. You know, be so you. Mess with your hair, make it messy. Mm-hmm. You know what I mean? 56:28 Don't be so, like, everything has to be perfect. Pop half your collar, you know what I mean? Mm-hmm. Like, have a stain on your shirt and just, like, deal with it. Right. It's not that big of a deal. Right. 56:37 And, like, rock one day, just one. Here's my, here's my thing to you watching this video. Eat a hamburger and get a messy white T-shirt, and go around the rest of your day with it without even acknowledging it. 56:48 Interesting. And see how many people actually acknowledge it, and see how it actually matters, 'cause it don't. It don't. Nobody will. Nobody cares. Doesn't matter. Nobody cares. Yeah. 56:55 [laughs] They're too self-absorbed anyway, right? Yeah, exactly. Yeah. [laughs] People don't notice you as much as you don't notice them, bro. That's right. That's right. But people think they're as- Right... 57:03 because it's that ego, bro. Ego- That's right. Ego is the enemy... psychedelics, bro. I guess that's the truth answer. Yeah. The short answer to everything is just psychedelics. There you go. Psychedelics. 57:12 And DogeCon in Vancouver changed my life. Doge? DogeCon. Oh. I was just like all of these normie people. I had to have matching socks and my fucking... You know what I mean? Right. Right, right, right. Ugh. 57:23 I, I- None of my socks match today, but that's- They do match today... 'cause my friends bought me them. They look great. I didn't have socks, and my friend bought me socks. Aw, that's so nice of them. Yeah. Aw. 57:31 So DogeCoin, I didn't know there was a DogeCoin event. It was the first one. I met the founder, Jackson Palmer, who told me he doesn't like crypto or DogeCoin or any of this stuff. It broke my heart. I'm like- What?... 57:41 "Fuck you, Jackson Palmer" What was he doing it then? What was he doing the event? He's just trolling, I guess. I don't know. Oh. You know what I mean? Because I've never heard of a DogeCoin event. 57:48 He sold all of his Doge, so, like- Oh... he's kind of a hater. He is a hater. But I think he does it- I do not like that... like Ronald G. Wayne does it, the co-founder- Okay... of Apple, kinda owns- Yeah... 57:56 the fact that he sold all his shares early. Right. I think, you know, Jackson does it too. Uh, Jackson Palmer, I believe, is his name. And- Uh-huh... 58:03 so yeah, I was there, and it was the first time I, I dressed up normal. I was normal as shit. You know- Yeah... what my first five-minute experience was at DogeCon, bro? What? 58:11 I walked in and it was empty 'cause people were all doing these, like, speech, speeching stuff. Like, there was, like, speaking, yeah. I'm fucking so, yeah. Okay. 58:18 They were speaking, and everybody was in this, the, the room listening. It was a packed audience. Like, dude, it was like- Yeah... 1,000 people in this room. It was huge. Yeah. 58:25 Everybody was, like, watching and listening to the speakers. Right. But I didn't know. I was in the hallway waiting 'cause I'm like, you know, wait, like, first day of school type shit. Like- Yeah... 58:32 I don't know where to go. Right. Where's my class? You know, I don't have an agenda. Right. So I'm waiting at the registration booth, which, by the way- Right... 58:38 has, like, l- like, leis on it, and, like, crop top T-shirts, and, like, flarey wristband. I'm like, is this a conference or, like, a fest? Like, I thought I was in the wrong spot. It s- it sounds like a festival. Yeah. 58:49 Yeah. And that's like- Yeah... when I walked in, I was like, I don't think I'm in the right spot, so I'm like- Yeah... I'm just gonna wait here and figure it out. Like, obviously an adult eventually. Right, right, right. 58:56 And I walked in and I met Kyle Kemper, bro. Kyle Kemper. Kyle Kemper is an amazing individual in the crypto space. Yeah. Um, he was on Tucker Carlson recently. Oh, cool. 59:08 And he happens to just so be Justin Trudeau's brother. Oh, okay. Um, and when I met him- Cool... I didn't know this for about two years 'cause he- Yeah... doesn't really, you know, he'd never talk. 59:17 He doesn't fla- nothing, right? Right. And people don't really acknowledge that either, right, 'cause it doesn't matter. You know what I mean? Right. Like, where he's... 59:23 At that point, it really don't matter whose brother you are when you you. Mm. You know? And he was so him, uh, when I met him, for two years, I didn't know who he was. 59:31 I traveled, I shared beds with him, I cuddled with him. Wow. We were so close. Like, you know what I mean? Like- Yeah... brothers. Right. Like, he, but when I met him at that conference, bro- Yeah... 59:40 he saw the shirt I was wearing and didn't even ask. He just grabbed a pair of scissors off the desk and he cut my fucking shirt into a crop top. Ah. Ah indeed, bro. I was about to hit a dude. I'm like- Wow... 59:50 who I was at that time was, like, instincts to hit. Mm. Like, what are you doing, bro? Like, get the fuck off me. Right. Right. And, like, he was so positive energy. He was like, "Trust me," you know? Yeah. "I got you." 1:00:00 And, like, I was like, "My shirt." Like, it wasn't... You know, what are you doing? Right, right, right. And he cuts it into a crop top, cuts the little slits in it so it's all frilly and stuff, and- Right... 1:00:08 and he's, "Follow me." And I'm like, "Okay." Like, I don't know what's happening. Didn't even ask me for a ticket, dude. Nothing, nothing. What? Didn't ask me. He was just like, "Come with me." 1:00:15 And I went into the room- That's so crazy... and he sat me down. I'm listening to these people speaking. Right. And then we do a march to, like, a parliament building or something. Yeah. 1:00:24 And they did the United Nations of, like, crypto, and it was, like, represented. Like, it was like- Huh... the physical, literal place where, like, in Canada, the United, like, whatever. Right. 1:00:32 It was, like, legit, legit. Right. And we stormed it. There was hundreds of us. Right. There was people from, like... You know, they're sitting down and talking like, "I am the representative of the scammers. 1:00:41 I am the representative of degenerates. I represent decentralization." [laughs] And they were, like, going into their, what they were representing and what they- Mm... 1:00:47 were standing for and what their, like, you know, uh, manifesto was of, like, what they represented, and went through all, like, 100 different things in crypto- Right, right... 1:00:56 that these people wrote these, like, amazing, like-... thought out speeches about Mm And it was just like first eye w- opening moment, like, what, wow. Mm. Like all of them look like fucking weirdos. Right. 1:01:07 I'm judging everybody in the room, bro. Right, right. I'm judging them all. Like, I'm judging myself, 'cause I just let a grown man cut my T-shirt into a crop top- Right... and I didn't even say nothing about it. 1:01:15 I let it happen. Right. So I'm like, "Oh, this is making me over..." I'm like judging, judging, judging, and then they keep talking, I'm just like blown away. Uh-huh. 1:01:23 It's like reading a book with the worst cover you could ever like- Oh my God... And it's like, not even the worst cover. It's not a bad cover, it just doesn't describe the book. Right. You know? 1:01:30 It's a cover and it just doesn't describe the book, so it's like- Right... every time I turn the page, it's just more, more and more mind-blown, 'cause I didn't know what to expect. Right. 1:01:38 And that's what I liked about that. I was like, oh, it literally makes the expectations like- Mm... not worth having because, you know, it's not about the cover, it's about the book. Right. 1:01:47 And then I, I met these people that took me streaking for the first time, bro. I ran through the streets of Canada naked- Really?... in Vancouver. Yeah. I, I, I- Like a group of you or like [laughs] 1:01:58 We were partying naked on a bus for a while, jumping around with our junk, and there was so many titties smacking me and- Wow... bros were hugging me. Aw. My junk was getting tugged and handshaked. 1:02:07 It was so fun, like- Yeah... it was like, and I only never- That's cool... I never experienced a, a unclothed ex- like I never had a, a, an experience with people or persons that was unclothed and non-sexual. 1:02:20 It was my first- Sure... non-sexual naked experience in life. Wow. And like- That, that's quite the experience... it really was. Like, I, I- Yeah... it, it really- Huh... 1:02:28 not to say desensitized or anything, but it, it changed something about me. Yeah. And it was just so freeing. Yeah. Oh, I can imagine. And we ran into a lake, we went swimming. We were like- Yeah... 1:02:38 you know, I'm swimming as a backstroke and I have my- Yeah... little birdie looking like a shark fin. It was like, you know- Oh my God... like making the jokes about it and- That's funny... 1:02:45 just like, it was so much fun and like- Yeah... I realized, like, every day could be this fun if I wasn't so, like, worried about what people thought, what like my- Yeah... 1:02:53 what impression I might give or what they- Right... think about me tomorrow. Thinking like, I don't think I've ever thought about anybody tomorrow [laughs]. Like- Right... 1:03:00 why would I think they thought about me tomorrow? Right. So it's just that that conference changed me internally. Mm-hmm. I was, I, like, after that conference, I was a butterfly- Yeah... 1:03:08 and there was no way to go back to a caterpillar. It just was impossible. Yeah. I started dressing like how I felt. Like- Right... like you remember Li- Big Daddy? Yeah. He like started letting him dress himself. 1:03:18 Right, right, right. And he felt more safe and at home in himself. Like, he was like- Right... that was me when I started dressing like myself and going to conferences. It was like- Right... 1:03:25 I don't feel all this pressure. Mm. I feel like, you know what I mean, so comfortable now. Right. Even with the suits and all this, like, feels so good to be me. Yeah. I love that. 1:03:35 And I feel like people try so hard to be a version of them. Right. It must be so tiring. Must be. And I know people in this space, they have these character usernames or a persona. Mm-hmm. 1:03:46 And I know who they are on stage and in public, and I know who they are in their house, 'cause I slept on their couches. Right. 1:03:51 A- a- and they are different people, and it's e- I see it being exhausting, and I believe that's sort of what happened to BitBoy. You know? Like- Oh, yeah... I think BitBoy kind of fell into a, a, you know, 1:04:03 a, a, what's his name? Uh, Dice Clay, Andrew Dice Clay. You know, he's like- Mm-hmm... he can't not be Andrew Dice Clay anymore. Right. Yeah. You know, it's, 1:04:12 it, it's just he had to be BitBoy, and he, he couldn't not be the character on the camera off camera anymore. Mm. 1:04:18 He fell into the role, and I've seen it happen to people, but I don't wanna have to be, like, a different version of me any time ever. 1:04:26 Like, my, the, whether you're a girl that I'm dating and we're in love, or you're a stranger I just met, or you're a family member I've known my whole life, all of the versions that you can describe to people will be the same. 1:04:39 Yeah, yeah, and, and I find you're really comfortable, well, physically right now, but, like, just with yourself. 1:04:45 Well, that's fine, 'cause I made sure I was like, "Look, I'll do the interview, but can I do it laying down?" [laughs] And make sure-- I set boundaries, and I think people- Yeah... are afraid of setting boundaries. 1:04:53 No, no, for sure. A- and, like, I try to do it respectfully, but with- Right... with con- conviction. Mm. I am stubbornly convicted to my comfort. Mm-hmm. 1:05:05 You know, I've walked out of, I walked out of Tokenize 'cause I was uncomfortable. I've walked away from conversations. I've blocked people. I've unfollowed them. I, you know, whatever. 1:05:13 I immediately make myself comfortable when I'm uncomfortable, and if somebody, like, if you would've said, "No, can we sit up?" Like, we wouldn't be having, it would be a wor- world's different conversation- Well-... 1:05:22 'cause you would've had a, a, a more, you know, uncomfortable version of me to talk to. Right, and part of my job as an interviewer is to make my guests comfortable, so I'm glad you're comfortable right now. 1:05:33 Thank you so much, man. Of course. [laughs] It's kind of the rule of thumb. Like you said, like- Yeah... I wanna do this more than I don't wanna do it- Yeah... 1:05:39 because I'm emotionally drained as much as you might be- Mm-hmm... physically drained. Like- Right... I've had a week, bro. I'm poor. I bet. I have no money. Yes. I'm at the mercy of my friends who I have helped. 1:05:49 I, I- Yeah... I'm not saying, like, I'm counting, you know what I mean, what I've done. But, like, they're, they're s- I'm so grateful they're still here for me- Yeah... 1:05:55 since I'm not there for them in the same way- Right... I used to be. Right, right. I learned that that wasn't about what I, you know, it wasn't about just 'cause Ken had money. Right, right. It's like a crack. 1:06:04 There it is. Like, I still have a team. Right. And like, yeah. No, of course. So it's been really hard this past week being here, not being able to, like- Yeah... 1:06:11 buy food when I'm hungry or weed when I wanna smoke or- Right, right... get an Uber to leave somewhere, like- Right, right, and you were saying before how you were a millionaire at one time. Three times. Three times. 1:06:21 Three different times. [laughs] And so why is it that it seems like you, you can make money, then lose money, then make money, then lo- like how, how does- Because I don't care about it. Never have, never will. Yeah. 1:06:31 I've had a million dollars- Yeah... and you've never seen me with a Lambo. That's true. [laughs] That's true. I bought my mom a house. I bought my manager at the time, Annalisa, a house. Yeah. Wow. 1:06:38 I never did anything for myself with fi- I don't- So I s- If, if I can't-- Hear me out Yeah. If I can't take it with me when I'm gone- Right... I'm not putting my, my me into it. Right. And me is value, right? 1:06:49 Like, money is an extension of you, the time that you, you know, through alchemy- Right... you put you into the money. Right. I'm not gonna put money into stuff. Right. I have memories- Right... I can take with me, bro. 1:07:00 You know what I'm saying? Experiences. I invested all of it into memories. Mm. And- I love that... and like, yeah, it's not, it's Because I don't care about it, it does come... 1:07:10 Like, ev- even earlier in the first story, I lost 10 grand, made 20. Like- It's- And then I lost a million, made another selling NFT. Or no, that was before. I made a million trading, lost this money. 1:07:19 L- literally, I spent it all, and then I did NFT sales. I made another million dollars, and I HODLed it with these stupid diamond hands from a dollar back down to three cents. But I was- Oh my God. 1:07:29 [laughs] Yeah, don't remind me, bro, 'cause I was- Oh my God... I was AFK for those two years. Oh my God. But, uh, yeah, man, I spent it all on the way down just living. And, uh, so here's my explanation of it, bro. 1:07:41 Yeah. Like, I have the recipe. I know how to cook. I know. Yeah, I know. I just, once I'm in the kitchen- Right... I'm baking millions. Right. Every... I have three time track record. 1:07:52 That's- You think I can't do it a fourth? I think you- Like, I know I can. Like- I think you could... might sound arrogant, but, like, you... Have you been a millionaire three times? I have not. Yeah. 1:07:59 I heard the first million was the hardest. No, dude, it was- After that it becomes easier... Or no, this... Yeah. Yeah, yeah. After that it's easier. It, it, literally, it was easy and e- The first one was easy. 1:08:07 The second one's even easier. Right. The third one was literally- So-... the easiest million I ever made... so this next one should be real easy for you. [laughs] I actually, I'm, I'm... It's so- Hmm. All right... 1:08:18 it's kind of scary how easy it really is. Yeah. But I am fully aware of- Mm-hmm... all those times I made those millions. Right. No matter how I did it, it came from somebody who didn't. 1:08:29 Somebody had to lose for me to win. Oh. Whether it was somebody, you know, buying, selling, trading- Right... shorting, whatever. Yeah. All the money I ever made- Right... was from people that lost it to me- Hmm... 1:08:40 in some way or another, right? Right. Whether they sold their Bitcoin and I bought it, or they shorted it- Right... and I longed it, you know. Right. Right. They bought my NFTs or whatever, right? Like- Yeah... 1:08:50 I need to make sure this run- Mm-hmm... is something that will generate something for whatever got me to it. Right. 1:08:57 So however I make this million, what- however I got there with this team, the media thing, um, whatever, it too has to now make a million from the million it made me. 1:09:06 It has to f- I have to find a way to build a cyclical- Yes... economy around myself. Like, I'm the- There you go... a cyclical solar system, 'cause I'm the sun. There you go. Even better. Yes. 1:09:15 And I can have a cyclical solar system revolve around my- me. I love that. I could have this team, that team, that team, that team all feeding each other into this one ecosystem- Right... that is around me. 1:09:26 That's beautiful. And that's, it comes down to a lot of new pressure 'cause, like, I, 10 or 11 years in crypto, I've been self-funded, and now I'm broke because Bitcoin been ruining my life. 1:09:36 I wasted my time at the club in Vegas, and- Yeah... I had to help people relocate. I had to unstake things- Yeah... that I was earning APY on, that I was spending to live on, and, like, now I'm- Right... nothing. 1:09:45 You guys, I'm pretty public. Track all my wallets. [laughs] I have never not shared a wallet. Right. Right. I'm Ken Bozak on ENS. Right. Phantom Wallet FIO. Right. You can find my MySpace, Ken Bozak. Right. 1:09:55 I've always been me on PlayStation, Xbox. Yeah. You can add me, Ken Bozak. Right. But, like, all... I'm public public. Yeah. 1:10:01 And even when I had money, and even when I don't, like, people, even my closest friends are like, "You gotta stop telling people you're broke." I'm like, "Why? I am." 1:10:08 And, like, if they're in a position to fucking help me, like, I'm in a real bad position, I could use it. Yeah. Like, I'm not embarrassed. I don't have embarrassment. Like- I... Yeah. You know, straight man... 1:10:16 I don't know what embarrassment feels like anymore. Like- You know, straight guys, like, type embarrassment... yeah, embarrassment to me is a non-event. Like, I don't- Right... acknowledge embarrassment. Right. 1:10:24 If it, even if it feel, if it so- if I start to feel embarrassed, I do it on purpose- Okay... just to fuck with me. You know what I'm saying? Just to break emotion. Yeah. 1:10:30 Like, if you see your friend afraid to get in the pool, you push your friend in. Right. Right. I don't have any friends, bro, so I push myself in. Right. [laughs] I love that. I love that, Ken. 1:10:40 You're so true to yourself. You're so authentic. All, I, I'm all- It's hard to meet people like that... I really have, dude, to be honest. It's like you're aware of really who you are. 1:10:48 Well, I did two years of isolation after I lost my family, man. Like, I really went deep into me. Whoa. Like, I know who I am. I can tell. I spent two years with me. I can tell. 1:10:58 Two years of isolation, like- With just me. Well, I had a girlfriend at the time, you know what I mean? But she was really sick and- Yeah... she was always in the hospital and stuff. Oh, I'm sorry. 1:11:04 So it was, like, even then, a lot of just me taking care of her while she's unconscious. Yeah. So a lot of alone time. Yeah. So- But you sound like such a people person. Yeah, no, that's why I love conferences. 1:11:14 [laughs] And, like, I've never felt safer in any environment- Yeah... than a Bitcoin conference, even though we're surrounded by a lot of scammers. Like- Right... 1:11:20 it's the physically, they don't have the balls to do it in real life. Yeah. Like, you could leave a $100 bill on the table at the Bitcoin conference- Yeah... 1:11:26 and every scammer will walk past it, 'cause they don't have the balls to get punched in the mouth by the motherfucker who watched them do it. Hmm. So you could leave your phone out. 1:11:33 No one's gonna pick up a phone that ain't theirs. Right. They're all pussies. Right. Right. But they'll scam you on Twitter. So, like, being in this space, I feel so safe because they're, they're a fake tough guy. 1:11:42 You know what I mean? Right. Right. Like, I can... I'm from Kensington, bro. Like, steal from me, I'll fuck you up. I'll kill you. Right. Right. And if I can't beat you up, I'll f- I got money or I got friends. 1:11:50 Like, I'll fuck- Yeah. Yeah. Yeah... I'll, I'll- I'll figure it out. I'll figure it out... I'll, dude, I'll hack your account. I have resources. 1:11:53 [laughs] I'll, I'll make it look like you did some shit, and I'll report you to the FBI. There you go. Like, I don't give a shit. Right. Right. I'll get back at you, big dude. Okay, I'll figure you out. I'll find a way. 1:12:02 Uh-huh. Uh-huh. I see. So, like, yeah, I, I am so comfortable in these Bitcoin conferences, man. Yeah. Like- Yeah... it's like, to me, family reunions at this point, you know? That's what I was gonna say. 1:12:11 I've seen Lyn- I've had, I've had so many moments- There's so many conferences... with so many people, like Lyn Aldbridge, Adam Back- Hmm... Janice, uh, McAfee, um, Nick, Nick, uh, Szabo, Nick Spanos. Hmm. 1:12:24 Peter McCormack. You know? Like these, dude, they're like family to me. Like, dude, I was, I was talking to somebody at the conference, and Peter McCormack literally ran full sprint at me like a beast, a wildebeest. 1:12:35 Really? And he hugged me. "Ken, I love you, brother. I gotta go. I have another..." Oh my God. And I'm like, "Dude, will I see you later?" Love it. He's like, "No, I have a flight. That's why when I seen you- Oh... 1:12:43 I, I was like, 'I have to go ahead and I have to leave.'" I'm like, "All right." And then I talked to the person, like, after he ran. They're like- Yeah... "Is that Peter McCormack?" I'm like, "Yeah." 1:12:48 He's like, "Well, who are you?" Right. Like, it, it, the whole conversation changed now. Wow. They're like, "Who are you? What are you? What do you do? Why are you so important?" Right. Like, I'm not, bro. Right. 1:12:57 I'm just loved. Yeah. I can see that. And, and you love so hard, and I feel like that reciprocation doesn't really come back. Well, I never ask for anything, dude. Right. I've always been self-funded. Right. 1:13:06 I never had to ask anybody to promote this. I know. Can I shill this? Can I come on your show to talk about that? Right. Will you come on my podc- I never had to be like the other KOLs and influencers. Right. Right. 1:13:17 The reason they're no, they don't got the same- You know-... people that follow me following them. Yeah, but I'm saying you don't have to ask. Reciprocation- You know, I got... Oh, yeah, yeah... means- Yeah. Exactly. 1:13:25 Exactly... that favors follow through because- But that's what I'm saying. I was in the position to do that. Yeah. But there's no way for those-... hey, well, this is the res- there's no reciprocation. 1:13:32 Just give me money and I'll shut up See, that's what I'm saying Yeah It, it's not right That's it It's, it's not right. It's like I retweet your post, retweet my post, you know? 1:13:38 It's like it's reciprocation Well, I don't even want you to re- it's not even about that, right? Mm-hmm It's like the... I don't... When I retweet you- Yeah... it's not saying like, "Oh, I hope he retweets me." 1:13:46 It's, it's the domino effect of paying it forward. I hope that- Oh, okay... the mentality of hitting the retweet button in general is just back to where it used to be- Right, right... before we were monetized. Right. 1:13:54 I'm not doing like, uh, like I'm not keeping count of how many retweets I've given- Sure... Crypto Fam Radio. Right. But, like, I'm trying to get to a point to where, like, that doesn't matter again. 1:14:04 Right 'Cause it, it didn't for a long time. Right. People would just hit the retweet button 'cause it, it was, like, worth sharing. Right. 1:14:09 They wanted their friends to see the thing they saw so they could talk about it when they see their friend. To see the value, right Right. Water cooler type sharing shit What they, what they like. 1:14:17 Yeah, yeah, yeah And now nobody... It's all echo chamber everything I know. I know. It's really sad. That's why I've tried to explore more outside of Twitter too. Like, there's, uh, these other social media- Yeah... 1:14:27 platforms. Yeah. Have you used any of them for, like, your content? Yeah, I used Tinder for a long time to promote Bitcoin. Okay. I got banned. That was... Oh, damn. Okay Oh, it was great. I have screenshots. 1:14:35 I have been matched- I believe you [laughs]... with thousands of girls on Tinder. Thousands of girls on Tinder. I believe you. And, uh- Yeah... I almost... 1:14:42 I got banned 'cause I guess I looked like a bot, but I never copy-pasted. Okay. Weird I just always would talk, "Hey, are... Oh, I'm Ken Bozak. What do you do?" Oh. "Oh, what do you do? 1:14:49 I'm, I'm, I'm into Bitcoin, you know, I travel a lot." "Oh, this, that. Are you into Bitcoin?" "No." "Well, you should check it out." And then you kind of end it there. The next girl that liked me, same conversation. 1:14:58 Same. You- Soon as it gets to you should look at Bitcoin, they never- So funny... you know, they just ignore you. Right, right. But that was, you know, so many girls I talked to just- The numbers game... 1:15:05 every time on Tinder, literally every time on Tinder somebody matched with me, I told them- Yeah... to check out Bitcoin. Oh my God, that's amazing. You know what I mean? Yeah. So that was, like, a platform I used. 1:15:12 I used OnlyFans for a while just for content- Really?... for crypto stuff. Okay. And then I also did adult stuff for a while. I have deleted it- Really? Okay, good... but the wayback machine exists. Okay, good. 1:15:20 But I'm... Again, the only reason I even deleted it- [laughs]... was because I wanna do this media group thing. I wanna- Right... 1:15:24 team of people under me, and that pressure that I talked about with that earlier is to, like, not be unauthentic but be more authentic to the group. Um, it's not- Right... my own authenticity anymore. Right. 1:15:35 I have to be authentic for multiple people. Right. Now I, uh, it's not just me representing me anymore. I have Double Attack. Mm-hmm. I have Miggy Crypto. I have Crypto Gao, and I have Bobcat BTS. Right. 1:15:45 I have all these people. I have a lawyer now. I'm not sure if he wants to be public or known, but he's one of the biggest- Oh, wow... lawyers in crypto. Love you, brother. Aw. 1:15:53 I would've shouted you out, but I'm, I'm not sure. You know what I mean? No, yeah, yeah. No, sure, sure. I don't know you know, so, uh- Yeah, yeah... but yeah. It's like I have a lawyer now. 1:15:59 We're doing all this stuff, and, like- Yeah... it's, like, again, the first time I'm in a position where I need to make some money, and I actually have all the- Right... 1:16:06 dots out there like stars, but I never made constellations. I never tried to connect dots. Right. 1:16:12 And now this is my first time connecting these dots and my constellations and building these things out to see the bigger pictures. Mm-hmm. I love that. Trying to, you know, get something for what I've been doing. 1:16:23 Now I've, I've been doing this stuff just 'cause I enjoyed it. Like, I never- Right... was like, "Oh, I need a sponsor to go to Token24." I'm like... 1:16:30 I, I went to Token24 in I without a ticket 'cause I was like, "I'm going." Right. I didn't even have a hotel room, bro, when I went to the first one. The fuck? Where'd you stay? Oh my God, that's a great question. 1:16:38 This is why this dude's an interviewer, huh? [laughs] I'm like, I interview people- Yeah... and I would have probably just been like, "That's cool" [laughs] and just, like, let it roll. No, no. 1:16:46 But yeah, uh- I wanna know... so I was sleeping in the lobby, and- They let you sleep in the lobby? No, they did not let me sleep in the lobby. Um- So then what happened? 1:16:53 They kicked me out, so I had to walk around for a few hours, and then I went back to the lobby- Yeah... 'cause I knew shift change. I, I was like, oh yeah, not the same people. Ah, okay. 1:17:00 Not the same people working here right now. It's, like, you know- Yeah... night to day. It was morning. Right. I was like, shift change. All right, I'll get kicked out by the next group, right? Right. 1:17:06 So I sat down, laid down, and Paul Puey from Edge Wallet- Oh... the CEO and founder of Edge Wallet. Okay. It used to be called AirBits, and that's how you know if you're an OG or not. I used AirBits. 1:17:16 Uh, they turned into- Mm... Edge Wallet, which is probably, next to Phantom, you know, who I'm trying to get to sponsor me, Edge Wallet will probably never work with me. I'm too much of, like, a brand liability. Yeah. 1:17:26 Uh, I tried to work with them. But anyway, he let me sleep in his room with him in his bed. Oh, wow. Like, I shared a bed with Paul Puey of Edge Wallet in Token- Damn. That's pretty funny... 1:17:33 Token24 in Hong Kong 'cause I just showed up without a ticket- Wow... without a hotel room, without anything. I just showed up. Just show up. [laughs] And that's what I mean. But now it's hard. 1:17:42 I can't even just show up, bro. I don't have- Yeah... the money for the flight. Shit. I don't have the money for the room. I don't have money for food or weed, so- All right, all right. 1:17:48 We, we gotta solve your money problem, bro. I get the- Oh, no, the community is... They have been. That's why I'm saying, like- Okay, okay... I'm going to Consensus- Right... and that's why I love, like... 1:17:55 I have to keep shouting them out. Dial.WTF- Right... and MineSwap.app. Right. They're, like, the only two out of everybody I've ever, like... I've asked people for help. Right. 1:18:02 They were the only two that were, like, able to shake out the couch cushions. Right. Right. You know? It means a lot to me right now that they're doing that, so- Definitely. Definitely It's... 1:18:10 They're the only reason I'm even going to Consensus. Right. I submitted a proposal to Bitcoin Cash through FundMe.cash, which is the only reason I'm able to go to Europe next week, right? Right. 1:18:20 Yeah, you told me about that. Or after Consensus. Right. So I asked them for two and a half Bitcoin Cash to go to Consensus and make content specifically focused for them. Right. 1:18:29 Otherwise, if I don't get the budget for them, I'm, I can't afford to make any content for Bitcoin Cash. Right. I have to focus on what did help me get there. You know what I mean? Right, right, right. 1:18:38 But hopefully, you know, I have one day left to raise, uh, two and a half. It's like $1,000. Right. And that would be enough to, like, you know, maybe get us a room or... 1:18:47 Uh, uh, we're cra- we have a plan to crash with friends, but maybe we can get a room one night just so we can have our own peace of mind or space or, you know, have some pocket money from the Bitcoin Cash community to buy some green and smoke it, you know? 1:18:58 Right. Right. Bitcoin Cash is green. Oh, use Bitcoin Cash to get some green. Right. But otherwise, you know, I'm literally going to Consensus with just enough money to get there- Right... and get home. Yeah. 1:19:08 I have no idea how I'm gonna eat. I have no idea how I'm gonna smoke weed. I have no idea how I'm gonna Uber places if I wanted to leave at my own reconnaissance. Uh-huh. 1:19:15 I'm at the will of somebody who's offering or I'm walking. I was gonna- And I am okay with this as if you have- Why? It sounds- 'Cause I'm used to it. Yeah, but- Like, this is what my life was like before Bitcoin. 1:19:24 Oh, you have no idea what my life was like before I fixed phones. Okay. It's this. [laughs] It's... I did this for longer than I didn't. Right. I had 10 years of being wealthy. Right. I was 25. I had 25 years of not. 1:19:37 I have more experience being broke than I do, you know, being rich. Right. So I am a master of broke. Yeah. I mean, when I was younger, I ran away from home. I was, like, 12 years old when my mom left the city- Right... 1:19:49 and I refused to leave with her, and I was a bad kid, man. So, like- Mm-hmm... my mom said, "Fine, fuck you. You stay here. Figure it out." So I was crashing with random friends and at- Mm... 1:19:59 you know, family on couches, all the couch. Like, I was never stationary. Right. I kinda still went to school here and there just for the food, but then I'd leave. 1:20:06 You know, I'd go for breakfast, probably cut a couple classes, hang out in some random gym class I wasn't, like, supposed to be in, go to lunch, eat lunch, and then walk out a fire exit, and rinse and repeat. 1:20:17 Like, that's how I was surviving. And then I joined the swim team, and the swim team during the summer would give you the space meals with these little lunches and stuff. So- Mm-hmm... I swam on the swim team. 1:20:26 I actually did first place in the backstroke- Nice... which was awesome. Congrats. Thank you. That's awesome. 1:20:32 And, uh, yeah, I was, like, literally sleeping in a park in, like, those little hamburger things, like, just trying not to be in Jersey with my mom 'cause I wanted to be in Philly so bad. Oh. 1:20:41 Like, I couldn't, I couldn't fathom what reality would even be like, like, not there. Right. And I didn't wanna do it. I just, it was, I'd rather die on that hill. That's how I felt. 1:20:54 Yeah, even at, like, 12, 13 years old, man, I was like, "I'm not leaving." That's fair. And so, uh, yeah, I just started crashing with friends and stuff, but I did get arrested with the whole selling drugs at, like, 13. 1:21:06 Ugh. And, uh- That's not good... it was like a SWAT team raid. It was on, uh- Jesus... if you wanna look it up, it was in Philly, Kensington. It was on Weikel Street and Ann Street. Uh-huh. 1:21:15 And it was around whenever I was, like, 13 or 14, something like that. It was before freshman year of high school. Okay. So you guys do your math and investigate, but it's, it's there. It happened. 1:21:24 And a couple, couple blocks down the road they tackled me after the deal was done. There was, like, SWAT team on the ropes- No... and it was, like, so, it was like a movie. And, uh- Wow... 1:21:34 I had to go on the run 'cause they wanted me to testify. Like, so I signed papers- Yeah... at, like, minor, 14 or 13. I s- 'cause I'm pretty sure I was 14 in freshman, so whatever. Right. 1:21:42 But I signed these papers saying that I was allowed to leave jail with my aunt who picked me up 'cause my mom wasn't in the city. Mm-hmm. Uh, I had to testify against the guy I was selling drugs for. Mm. 1:21:52 And I was like, "Yeah, dude, definitely fuck that guy. He took advantage of me. He said he was gonna beat me up. I'm so afraid of him." Like, I did the whole whoa, you know what I mean, bro? 1:22:00 And the cops were like, "Yeah, this dude's definitely gonna testify that, that..." You know, they're like, I was so, like, you know, they're probably like, "You know, the jury's gonna eat this kid up. 1:22:08 This guy's going away." And that day I went immediately to Jersey with my mom. Wow. I, I ran. I never went back to Philly. 1:22:16 The, the state, whatever, the cops kept, sheriff, state, whatever, investigators kept calling me 'cause I had my own phone at 13, you know? It was like that, selling drugs and shit. 1:22:24 They kept calling my drug phone in Jersey saying like, "Yo, we know where you are." And I'm like, "Well, come get me. I know you can't, you can't come to Jersey for me." 1:22:32 And they're like, "Well, if we ever catch you in Philly for any reason, like if your mom got pulled over and you're in the car" I was like, "Bro, they don't ask the minors in the backseat for ID when your mom gets pulled over." 1:22:40 Like, I'm not stupid, bro. I, you know what I mean? I'm a street smart. Yeah. So I'm talking to this detective like, "Go fuck yourself." Right. And he let me off. Uh, he was like, "Fine, whatever. We're done." Yeah. 1:22:49 "We're not even looking for you." Like, I didn't know if it was a trap or not. Right. But then I got arrested in Jersey too and had to do probation there so it didn't even really matter. Damn. 1:22:57 But at least I didn't have to testify on anybody and- Right, right, right... I got away. Like, that was when I was 18. I got off probation when I was 21, and it was a vibe. Yeah. 1:23:06 'Cause, and I, I don't drink, and I was afraid that getting off probation on my 21st birthday was entrapment, like a scam. Right. So I was afraid to get high. Right. 1:23:13 So my friends took me to see Toy Story 3 for my 21st birthday. No way. Yeah, at, like, the last showing. Uh-huh. And we were the only grown-ass adults in the room that didn't have kids. Like, it was like... 1:23:24 And we, we were all into it. Like, you know- Exactly... we were so sober partying at 21- Yeah, yeah... so you embrace- I love Toy Story... the fact that we were alive type shit. Yeah. 1:23:31 And we, it might as well have been drunk or high, dude. It was such a good time. Right. And, uh, we walked actually for probably, like, four hours after that through the city for my birthday because- Cool... 1:23:40 and I still don't drink to this day. That's great. I'm proud of you. Thank you. Yeah. Thank you. I don't like it. I don't know why people are proud of me. I don't like it. It's not hard not to drink. Right, right. 1:23:49 Well- If I, if I liked it, I'd take the pride a little differently. Sure, sure. But, like, I feel like when peop- when people say or whenever you say to somebody, "I don't drink," it's like- Yeah... 1:23:56 you had a problem or it must be hard 'cause I like- Right... I really wanna like drinking 'cause I see how y'all act when you're drunk. Yeah. And I wanna be that social. 1:24:04 I wanna be able to, like- You, you are social though. Well, not like- I like that... like, I don't, you know, when people are drunk, bro, you all get physical and start hugging and rubbing. 1:24:10 [laughs] And that's, it, it, when you're sober, that just feels like a sexual assault. Uh-huh. You know what I'm saying? Sure. I, I get that. Yeah. I know what you're saying. So I was like- [laughs]... 1:24:18 I wanted that camaraderie. Yeah. Like, it's, it's a different level of camaraderie there. Sure. You can't, you're not like- Sure, yeah... it's when you're tripping and your friend isn't- It messes you up... 1:24:25 you're like, "Oh, is it hitting yet?" Yeah. You're like, "I don't take it." Or even- "Oh, I'm leaving you. Bye." Right. "You're not tripping with me, you're not, you're not in on this." Yeah. 1:24:31 Or it's like getting high, right? And it's like you get that kind of loosey-goosey feeling and you're just like, "Hey" Not me anymore. Not with all this pressure, man. Really? I haven't been smoking as much. 1:24:39 This has been the least I've smoked. I mean, I'm poor- Yeah... so that fucking doesn't help. Right, right. But, like, even when people have been offering it to me- Yeah... one or two puffs a day, I have not been smoking. 1:24:47 Wow. I have too much pressure on my plate. Too many people on my team that are w- like financing me right now. Right. They're like, I'm, this ain't my money I'm spending. Right. Other people's money. 1:24:54 This is the Bitcoin Cash community. Right. This is Dials. This is Mind Swap. This is- Right... people who are literally investing in me- Mm-hmm... and not looking for an ROI. 1:25:04 They're just like, like, do, keep doing- Some sponsors... what you're trying to do. Not even sponsors. No, just- Just angel investors... investors Like, "Here's money. Just keep doing what you're doing." Wait, wait. 1:25:12 If they're investors, that means they want something back, right? I guess they just want me to be back to where I don't need to ask them for money again. [laughs] I, uh, okay. That's how I feel- All right... 1:25:20 'cause I haven't signed anything. Okay. There's no deliverables. Interesting. Nobody's given me any expectations. They're just giving you the money. Well, 'cause they know what I need it for, and I show the receipts. 1:25:27 It's not like I'm out here buying fentanyl. Right, right, right. [laughs] I just need to get the consensus, bro. Uh-huh. You know, that's the, "Hey, you got any more tickets?" Right, right, right. No, I feel you. 1:25:37 I feel you. Have you thought about trying to monetize your content? I never. I don't know. I, outside of, like, a, a sponsorship or a shout-out I will never monetize a social network platform ever Okay. 1:25:47 Okay There's no way to convince me What about, like, s- your own ads, your own promos from the people that talk to you? Yeah, I will shout people out and, like- Yeah... you know, interrupt my livestream to do a- Right... 1:25:57 a commercial. Right, right. And be like, "Welcome back." Yeah. 100%. Yeah. But I am not gonna let Facebook pay me. Right, right. 1:26:04 No, that's what I'm saying, because, like, you could do your own little sponsored ads- Yeah, yeah... between your podcast segments. And now Twitter has that little sponsored button- Right, mm-hmm... 1:26:11 promotions button, which makes it more, you know, legal. Right. Right. So I don't have to worry about getting my account banned by saying- Yeah... "This has been sponsored." I don't... 1:26:18 Like, and I always, dude, I, dude, I've always said, like, "This is sponsored stuff" without- Yeah... really doing the hashtag shit, which I know you should and all that, but- Right, right, right... 1:26:26 it's so hard to, like... It's not like I, I- Right... just, uh, like, it's not like everyone's trying to do like, "Oh, that's promotional. You didn't promote it. You're a scammer." Right. It's like, not really, bro. 1:26:34 This is, like, really hard to remember to do that bullshit. You, sheep, should be aware enough that, like, you're always being manipulated. Yes. Like, always. Yes. No matter what. 1:26:43 I want you to like me right now, so, like, I'm manipulating you in a way- Right... other than to, like, not hate me, right? Like- Sure... that's- We all do that We all do it. Yeah, we wanna be liked. Yeah. No, for sure. 1:26:53 So, like- Mm-hmm... it- you think brands don't wanna be liked? You think products don't wanna be liked? Of course. They're doing the same thing. Of course. They're sell- they're selling something. 1:27:00 And when people, when people are, like, paid by them- Mm-hmm... they need to do the same thing. Yeah. It's just I like to make sure I'm shouting them out, "Sponsored by," you know, or whatever. Right, right, right. 1:27:09 But I for- always forget the hashtag thing, and now that there's that button- Yeah... it's a little less weight on the chest of doing paid content. Right. 'Cause I was really, never really needed to do it. Right. 1:27:18 But if I was gonna do it anyway, I'm like, "Yeah, I'll take your money." Right. That's what I'm saying, so I'm just... I, I'm just trying to figure out more revenue streams for you to kind of try to help. Communities. 1:27:26 I want communities to see value in me doing stuff- Yeah... that they're invested in. Mm. Gotcha. They, like, I, they, com- communities want the projects or companies to do what they should do. Yes. 1:27:36 They want the companies, they put a billboard on the highway. Right. They want the, the, the foundation to, you know, have a speaker on the stage. Mm. 1:27:43 It's really up to the community to find the person that they like the most, that speaks the best, to finance them to get on the stage. Mm. You know what I'm saying? I do. 1:27:50 And, and the communities can do more to pump their bags by m- reinvesting in the community. Right. 1:27:56 So that's why I'm trying to be a value add to Bitcoin Cash, so they see the, the value in sending me places just to mention them. You know what I mean? I love it. Not- nothing direct, nothing like, "You gotta do this." 1:28:07 Right. "We're expecting this many wallets. We're..." Like, you know, "This video- Right... this has to be this long." Like, just do you. Right. 1:28:14 And with the love that you feel for what we gave for you, express it in the moment when it's authentic. There you go. You don't have to shoehorn in your shills. Right. It sh- it should just be real. Yeah, literally. 1:28:25 In the moment. Yeah. No, I love that. I love that. How have you become such a great storyteller? I've told many stories. Mm. Just from practice. I've been interviewed a lot. Okay. Uh, I've been interviewed by CNN, CNBC. 1:28:37 Really? Uh, RTTV have interviewed me twice before they were official propaganda television. Like- Yeah... I've been around, bro, people. Yeah, no, I know you have. Like, but I, I took some time off, and Miggy- Right... 1:28:47 Miggy literally was like, "Not to say what I..." I fucking love you, Miggy, so please- [laughs]... you know, don't take this the wrong way. But, like, he was, like, my camera guy. You know what I mean? Oh, okay. 1:28:55 He was, like- I didn't know that... behind the camera for a little bit. I didn't know that. Like, not really, but really, you know? Cool. And, like- Yeah... I stopped going to conferences, and- Right... 1:29:02 he was now in front of the camera. Yes. And then when I came back to crypto- Mm-hmm... my, not last September, but the previous one in 2025- Sure... is, like, when I just kinda came back into the, going to conferences. 1:29:13 Oh. Miggy was, like, so well known that, like, I wanted, like, the joke... He was, like, back, he wa- Like, I love Miggy, bro. He was like instantly like, "Yo, let's go do a video." 1:29:23 And you're like, "No, bro, I'll record you." Right. Like, "You're that, you're him now." Right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right. [laughs] You know what I'm saying? 1:29:28 So all the conferences that I went to, I made, like, not made, but, like- Yeah... I, I wanted Miggy to do a m- the majority of all the interviews. Right. 1:29:38 Because, like, I just, it was, it so freeing to be, like, in his position- Mm... when we were first, like, rolling together when he was helping me make content- Right... 1:29:47 when I was on stage, and now I'm like, "I'm able to help him now-" That's cool... "when he is on stage." I love that. There's such a rare, it's so rare- Mm... 1:29:55 that you could, like, literally swap positions with somebody who has helped you get to the position they were literally in. Like, how- Interesting... when does that happen? It's so hard. It's rare. 1:30:04 It's like balancing a seesaw. It's very rare, yeah. It's like landing a flipped quarter on its side. Like, that's how I felt- Right... when I was, like, in that moment with Miggy. I'm so proud of him- Mm... 1:30:15 and, like, I am. Like, he's doing so much, and- He's doing a lot, and he did our- He's doing a lot outside of the space too, man. Yeah. He has a lot going on in IRL. He is. He's told me. And Crypto Twitter. 1:30:25 I don't know how he can do it all. How can he do it all? You know? He has- He doesn't sleep maybe... the strongest mental fortitude I have ever met in a human being. I could see that. 1:30:33 He, his mental fortitude- I can see that... is ironclad, bro. Mm-hmm. You cannot crack his composure- No... unless you get a drink into him, which is why I begged the brother never to drink ever again- Mm... 1:30:45 'cause that's his weakness. That's his kryptonite. Oh, really? Miggy's only kryptonite is a drink. A drink. A drink. He gets a drink, it's kryptonite. But other than that, brother- Yeah... 1:30:53 he is Superman everywhere he goes. Yeah. He just flies, bro. Yeah. He does. And people go like, "It's Miggy." [laughs] Right. Right. No, he's amazing. He did our 24-hour survivor challenge, you know? 1:31:04 Dude, we did the Shitcoin Conference together. Yeah. Like, we manifested a conference together. Right. Right. From nothing but an idea, we raised, like, thou- tens of thousands of dollars. That's cool. 1:31:15 And we did the Shitcoin Conference. Yeah. You need to bring that back. We are. We did it, we did it in Vegas- Okay... last year at the Scam Club that I was running. Oh, shit. Okay. Yeah. You gonna do it again next year? 1:31:25 Uh, I didn't do it this year- Okay... because of, you know, life sucks. But next year. But next year in Nashville I wanna do a Shitcoin Conference. Yeah. 1:31:33 And I'm, whatever Tokenize is probably doing, 'cause I know Michael Terpin's scam isn't about to end anytime soon, I'm gonna tailgate Michael Terpin's Tokenize and call it a scam and try to get as many people to not go to that conference as possible. 1:31:45 Okay. So there's less people that will be hurt by, you know, all the VC, hedge fund- Mm... bullshit that they're gonna have on the stages. All the bit angel pitches. 1:31:53 It's all fucking such a bullshit fucking e- you know, the ah. Echo chamber. Yeah. Ugh. Yeah, yeah.It sucks It's all embezzling, bro. It's just how they hand money to each other through their shit, bro That's right. 1:32:04 I feel like it is It's an embezzling thing. Like, I see the way that the cogs turn- Mm-hmm... and I see the grease. You know what I mean, bro? The bit- Right... I see it for what it is. 1:32:14 Bit Angels, Tokenize, Michael Terpin, the whole thing with all these people, they're all the same people saying the same thing with a new name for their hedge fund, a new name for the VC, a new name and a new reason to give them money. 1:32:25 Right But the people that, th- the thing that, what, what, what about the thing that likes you? Every year it's some new reason to give you money. Right. I hate that. I'm over it. Absolutely. 1:32:33 I'm over being invited to the Mike Tyson tiger mansion for a photo op because like, yeah, it's cool to be there, but also I'm in the background of some scammer pictures that they're gonna show some senior citizens and be like, "Look man, you think I'm a bad guy? 1:32:46 I was hanging out with Ken Bozak at this legit conference. He spoke on the same stage as me, and he didn't call me out like he called out all these other people. Why wouldn't you trust me?" Right. 1:32:55 That's why Andreas Antonopoulos doesn't follow anybody anymore, because fucking Brian Rose interviews him. 1:33:01 Brian Rose is, uses that Andreas Antonopoulos interview to do an ICO for a decentralized social networking platform- Mm... which already existed in the moment. It was called Steemit. Mm. He could have just used Steemit. 1:33:11 Right. He didn't need to do an ICO, you know what I mean? Right, right, right. And then Andreas Antonopoulos is like, "My credibility is being used to manipulate people. Just a selfie could get people scammed." 1:33:21 That's crazy. So he stopped taking selfies. Wow. I fucking miss Andreas Antonopoulos more than I miss, like- Yeah... family that are gone, and he's not gone. Wow. 1:33:29 He just is gone because he can't afford to be seen in, in this space pub- He can't afford to have a selfie- Right... because that selfie will lead to somebody being hurt. Hmm. 1:33:39 He, he, his image is such a weapon of mass destruction- That's crazy... he can't even go in public anymore, man. That's crazy. Like, I missed the dude. He was, like, my favorite person in crypto. Oh, wow. 1:33:48 And he doesn't even communicate with anybody- Yeah... because of these scammers. Yeah. Yeah, man. That's, that's unfortunate. So I'm done. I'm done just, like, being quiet- Yeah... 1:34:03 and being just grateful to be in the room when the room is full of sharks and wolves, bro. Yeah. 1:34:09 I'm done trying to fight the feeling in my gut that's screaming, "Fire, run," and I just keep fighting it to stay in the seat because, like- Mm... 1:34:17 maybe I'll find somebody that's like, you know, sponsor this or that, like. Yeah. I never needed to be in the room like that. Like, now I do. I need to find the sponsors and, like- Right... 1:34:25 I just was there always trolling people. I never really took it for what it was, and I was just like, "Whatever." Yeah. And now that I'm, like, really looking now, it's like 1:34:36 I see why the KOLs and influencers go to these things. They're desperate. They're just as desperate as me. Mm-hmm. They're just not as public. Right. 1:34:42 And they're ju- they're so desperate, they don't care how bad, you know, the, the, the look is 'cause nobody's gonna call it out 'cause all of them that were there can't afford to even say anything to each other about each other's scams or whatever. 1:34:53 Like- Mm... it just sucks, man. It's just fucking walking dead. Yeah. Zombies are everywhere. Zombies are everywhere. But do you really believe that everyone is a scammer? No, I definitely don't. Right. 1:35:08 There's a lot of good people doing great things in crypto. No, dude, there's people that have scammed and not even meaning to do it. Right. It's just like, shit happens, you know? Yeah. 1:35:16 They're either scapegoats or they failed in a way that just so happens- Right... to coincide with what looks like a scam even with the effort. Right. You know? That, I... But it's the intent that matters. 1:35:25 Just when you like- Right... ev- even in language, uh, like, you know, like saying a certain word it, it should matter the intent of it, not the sound of it. Mm. 1:35:36 A- and I, I'm real big on like self-censorship of like whatever, like sure, I won't say certain words if it makes you feel bad but like when you ain't around I, I speak freely. Mm. 1:35:47 It's the intent of, you know what I'm saying? It's the intention, yeah. So what you say, the intent should matter, not just what you say. Like we shouldn't have like, you know, that self-censorship shit. 1:36:00 No, we shouldn't. We should be able to say what we wanna say whenever we want to say it. Oh yeah, I mean, dude even if it isn't- It's freedom of speech, right? Even if it isn't okay or like- Second Amendment, yeah... 1:36:10 you know, people like it. And yeah, exactly. Yeah. As long as it's how you feel, like you do it for you. Yeah. Exactly. 1:36:16 I absolutely love that and I love that you speak from your heart too, 'cause not a lot of people do that. You know how I know? Like even, I'm like I can admit that I know I do that- Yeah... 'cause I can't repeat myself. 1:36:27 Mm. I've been in so many situations where I say stuff to somebody and they're like, "Oh, can you say that on camera?" Like, what did I just say? 1:36:33 Like I genuinely don't remember what was it that you thought was so important that needs to be on camera. You know why. And even they don't fucking remember so fuck them. [laughs] Well because they asked but- Right. 1:36:42 Well they heard me say it. Right, right. I said it right to them and they thought it was so important they pull a phone out. Right, right. And I say, "What did I just say?" And they go, "I don't remember but don't you?" 1:36:50 And I go, "No, I was, I was hoping you were listening." It's hard to listen to yourself when you're speaking. Exactly. 1:36:56 [laughs] I don't hear the whole- It's like you're, it's like you're self-documenting but it's like you can't remember what you said because you just- People who think before they speak do that but I don't. Mm. 1:37:05 I definitely don't. Wait, wait you s- so you're saying- People who think before they speak know what they said 'cause they thought about it before they said it. Of course. Of course. 1:37:12 So but you're saying you don't really think you just like speak. Uh, yeah I just meh. For the most part. Stream of consciousness let's say. Yes. Yes. That's basically what it is. 1:37:21 And I can attribute that to ego death and psychedelics and all that- Right... 'cause I used to overthink and- Right... I was in therapy as a kid. You know I've had a- Oh wow... traumatic childhood. You know it's- Wow... 1:37:31 so like being in my head was a thing and being able to get out of it. Right. 1:37:34 Like that's what sh- like dude it's so weird to say but like streaking with hundreds of people in, in Vancouver was like- Right that story you've been working on... the thing that freed me from my head. 1:37:42 It's so interesting too. It, I- I've never had that experience. Maybe one day I'll do it Have you ever been streaking? Have you ever been to a nude beach? No. No. I'm telling you guys you only live once. 1:37:50 It is life changing huh? I'm gonna have to- You only live once why wouldn't you do that shit? Yeah It doesn't make any sense. No. It doesn't cost anything to be naked in the sun. No. 1:37:57 [laughs] I can understand why you don't skydive. It costs money. That's right. I can understand why bungee jumping, you have to travel to a g- canyon- Right, right... to a bridge. Right, right. 1:38:04 To get naked in public, brother, it's free. It is. Just go and do it- Right... and free yourself from your mind. Right. The thing that you're think- Oh, I can't do that. I won't... Like, why? Why? Yeah. 1:38:14 You know what I mean? Like- Yeah. That's cool... that makes no- you're being a bully to yourself. Mm. You're literally putting yourself in a cage and beating yourself with a stick about it. Just do it. Be weird. 1:38:25 It's all mindset. It really is. And overcoming that fear. Well, that also helps you free yourself from judging people, assuming you understand them or know them. Right. 1:38:33 'Cause anybody who's, like, think, you know, whatever, like, they think they know you, and I know I don't know you- Yeah... as much as you don't know me. You know what I mean? Right. Yeah. 1:38:40 We gotta get to know each other. Yeah. But that's the thing people assume, like, "Oh, I know this," like, you know. Mm. As much as you know they don't know you. Right. Makes sense. Yeah. The effort. 1:38:49 We have to put in so much effort, man. Mm-hmm. And that's why I went to all these conferences, and that's why these people know me. I put in the effort, bro. You... Yeah. You put out the intention, and you showed up. 1:38:59 [laughs] Every year. All the time. It- no matter if you had, uh, had enough money for an Uber, you know, like, you'd get there one way or another. Oh, I'd walk. Yeah, exactly. I'd walk. You walk, which I think is insane. 1:39:12 [laughs] I'd walk. Yeah. I would hitchhike to fucking Consensus from here if I had to. Really? Oh my- Dude, I don't even have a way to get home without a friend helping me right now. Wow. 1:39:22 So yeah, like, and again, I'm as calm... I'm not saying any of this with woe is me or- Sure. I know, yeah... I'm worried or scared. Nothing. Yeah. I am embracing the adventure for the adventure it is. Right. 1:39:33 People are like half cup em- a cup half full, half empty. Right. Dude, I'm so happy I have a cup. Yes. I have a cup. You have a cup. When I, when I find water, that cup will be full- Right... to the rim- Right... 1:39:44 'cause I have a cup. There you go. Doesn't matter what's inside of it. Mm-hmm. Full or half, not, milk, water, gold, doesn't matter. I got the cup. You got the cup. 1:39:53 I'll fill it with what I find, holding it, having it- Yeah... and appreciating the fa- right? I love that. I have my life. Life is the cup. Appreciate your fucking life, man. Def- definitely. Yeah. 1:40:01 Whether, whether I had a million dollars or not, you know, I never really changed personally. I, I couldn't. Right. I, I saw my friends do it. I... My friends worry about more money and- Right... do... 1:40:11 I'm like, I don't understand what that, that, that mentality was even like- Yeah... 'cause I, I don't really plan for the future. I only have what we have right here, right now. Yeah. No, that's beautiful, man. 1:40:23 I feel like you wanna wrap this up. I'm feeling it. Yeah, we're gonna wrap it up a little bit. I felt- I'm getting- Did you guys feel that? [laughs] Like, like, the audience, did you feel it- Yeah... 1:40:30 in that moment when I acknowledged it? 'Cause I felt like it was like- Yes. I'm feeling it's time... an energy that would be transmitted through the bandwidth that you're watching this from. Yes. Yes. 1:40:38 Um- It was so thick, like, all right, bro, this is the time, man. I think it's nearing time. It's, it's been about an hour and a half, but- Well, let's not do a fake handshake and just tell these people- No, no, no... 1:40:47 to like- [laughs]... retweet. There we go. Drop comments. There we go. And, and don't engage with people that don't engage with you. Mm. You know? If you're finding- Yeah... 1:40:55 yourself engaging with people over time- Yeah... take that time and effort back and apply it into places that will benefit your life, you know? Mm. Engage with people that engage with you. 1:41:05 Fuck with people who fuck with you. Invest in those who invest- So my cousin James... in, in them. Right. So it goes a long way. Now get the hell out of here so we can do something other than this, please. 1:41:16 We have so many people in this house. We do. We do. But anyway, thanks, Ken. I appreciate it. Crypto Fam Radio, appreciate all the things you're doing, bro. Thanks. Don't forget to hit the retweet button, you dickheads. 1:41:27 All right. Awesome. Awesome.
