Transcript 0:00 And we'll give this a go. We'll see how we're doing today. Uh, welcome my guest here. We have Will from TXRP. Uh, how's your day going, Will? How are you, fam? Well, it's a Monday. Yeah. 0:12 Uh, for a lot of people that is like a dreary day, but for me it's just another Monday, 'cause every day is a Monday. Every day is a Monday. You gotta break that down for me. What do you mean every day is a Monday? 0:22 Every day is the start of the week. [laughs] Every day is an opportunity to kill it, right? Okay. Okay. I like that. I like that. So how do you take Tuesdays then? [laughs] Um, I know that it's great for tacos. 0:37 Okay, Taco Tuesday. You're a big believer in tacos? Yeah. [laughs] Maybe. May- maybe. All right. All right, cool. Um, let's, let's get to know Will a little bit. 0:47 If you wouldn't mind sharing a little bit about yourself, you know, who you are, what you do, uh, where you come from. 0:53 Anything like that, any kind of lore, narrative that we can kinda build on, you know, I'm more than welcome to, to listen to you, Will. And thank you for coming on. Sure thing. Uh- I appreciate it... 1:01 this is probably a good opportunity to, uh, kind of relax a little bit. I talk about TXRP all the time. I live it, I wear it. 1:11 Uh, so, uh, something I do so often that, um, sometimes I forget to talk a little bit about myself- Hmm... and my background and how this all came to be. 1:21 Um, my background, I mean, I, I got involved in just technology, telecommunications rather early on. Um, my dad was an electronics technician, and he would have these little computers that you would not recognize today. 1:38 These are things you just plug into your TV with, like, no RAM whatsoever, so the moment you power off, you just lost everything you wrote. 1:46 Um, but, uh, it started off a little bit like that, but, um, really got involved in technology and tech when I joined the military. So I joined the Army in, um, 19... Oh, already, already called it. I, I said 19. 2:02 [laughs] You did. [laughs] But, uh, this was, uh, I believe it was 1997- Ooh... uh, when I, uh, went into the Army. 2:12 And, uh, I went in as a network switching systems operator/mantain- maintainer- Hmm... um, which is just a long fancy words for just a, a radio and telephone guy. Hmm. 2:27 Uh, so our mission, if you were to, uh, so to speak, is, uh, was to go out to, uh, remote sites and establish a communications link with the network. 2:42 So I operated what was at the time, um, known as a small extension node, but, uh, in essence it's just a node, uh, where commanders can have access to their, um, their internet and their phones 2:59 and, uh, have that command and control capability. I did that for 11 years. Uh, medically retired, um, due to just too many jumps out of an airplane. Um- [laughs]... 3:13 after that, uh, I went to school for electronics engineering technology. Um, shortly after that I started working with, uh, various, uh, government programs. 3:26 So I've been in the defense industry all my life, you could say. 3:32 Um, in 2012 I joined up with a, with the, the, the military complex if you, uh, some people call it, um, supporting, uh, war fighters in their mission. 3:46 Uh, did some years doing virtual simulation training, um, and then, uh, just in the last few years went back to my roots to telecommunications, uh, where, um, I provide services to, uh, 4:02 uh, various elements of the military and, uh, we keep them connected to the greater network. Um, can't really talk a lot about what, uh, what I do, but, 4:14 uh, I've been involved with companies such as Lockheed Martin, General Dynamics, Raytheon, uh, basically all the main players of the defense industry. 4:26 And so I've gotten, uh, quite the experience in, uh, contracting and, uh, meeting those contracts, those contract requirements. 4:35 I took a lot of that, what I've learned organizationally into what we're doing with TXRP- Hmm... 4:41 our team, um, the way we are organized on the back end, um, how we run our operations, uh, because we're seeing this as more than a crypto play. 4:52 Um, you know, you have a lot of, uh, ventures out there that call themselves projects. Uh, a project is a temporary thing. 5:03 Uh, we are building a business, uh, that, uh, we're looking to sustain by providing not just services for the crypto community, but also engineering these services into business solutions and enterprise solutions. 5:23 Absolutely love that. I wanna get back to TXRP, but let's take it back before TXRP when you started getting into blockchain technology, crypto, all that sort of thing. 5:33 I feel like you can skim that a little bit, so- Sure did, didn't I?... take it back a little further. You sure did. You kinda jumped around on me, but it's all good. 5:40 We'll, we'll get back over there and we'll get to ac- TXRP because that built on the XRP blockchain, so I feel like we should go back to your blockchain building days and how you got involved with that kind of, uh, scene. 5:51 Absolutely. Yeah. I mean, my blockchain- Yeah... my, my crypto journey, so to speak- Yeah, yeah... uh, everyone has, uh, something similar here or there with a few differences. 6:01 Mine started I would say- 2010 is when I first heard of Bitcoin. Wow. Uh, that magical internet money- [laughs]... which I thought it was a nifty thing. Um- Sure... 6:14 I had only just read about it, and I thought to myself, "Well, those kids got something going. You know, good for them, and, you know, I'll just follow along." Um, that was 20- 2010. 6:27 I, I totally forgot about it and went and had a life, uh, until about 2017 when, uh, Bitcoin hits $18,000 and that's all everyone was talking about. I could not at all, uh, avoid, uh, ignoring it. Right? 6:44 So- Mm... uh, I took a look. Uh, like most people, I kinda just FOMO'd in. And if you were around in 20, uh, 17, 2018, then you know what happened right afterwards. It just crashed. 6:59 And, um, and I thought to myself, "Well, you know, lesson learned." Um, it- Mm. But it really put my eye on it a little more. In fact, um, I started- Mm... 7:09 looking at the other, uh, tokens that were coming up in, in the space at the time. Uh, I did see Ripple. Uh, I thought it was, uh, what everybody was saying on the internet. 7:20 It was just the banker's coin, and at the time I was a bit of a, um, of a maxi. Y- y- but really there's no excuse. 7:28 I can't, like, personally reflect on, like, did I have a valid excuse, or was I just jumping on the bandwagon like everyone else, right? Mm. Mm-hmm. 7:37 And so, you know, just being honest with myself, I think it was the latter. I don't think I, I gave, um, Ripple, like, a, an actual look. I didn't- I never really, you know, looked at the code or anything. 7:51 [laughs] You know? I just, I just played along with what everyone's saying. "Oh, it's Bitcoin." You FOMO'd. You FOMO'd. You can be honest with me here, Ro. You FOMO'd. [laughs] Yeah. You know, so, uh- [laughs] Oh, yeah. 8:01 Yeah... I went the Bitcoin maxi route for a little bit. Yeah. Um- Makes sense... it, it, it came and went. I mean, you know, uh, this is now the year, I would say 2020. Uh- Mm... the pandemic hits. Mm. 8:17 Everything crashes. Right. Um, and so I'm sitting at home, not working, going, "Okay. Well, it's time to do some research." Right? Right. 8:26 Started researching into Bitcoin and in other things and, you know, I stumbled onto a few YouTubers that, you know, were not just 8:38 pumping price, throwing hopium your way, you know, just doing the, um, what they call the confirmation bias. Mm. Right? Uh, not just looking at price charts, 'cause I don't even believe in that. 8:52 Uh, but they were looking at, you know, PDF files that they found on some government server, you know, or some document released by the Federal Reserve, and these documents alluded to a new economic system, and- Ooh... 9:09 you know, when you do the math and you kind of connect the dots, you know, it was really pointing towards XRP. Mm. 9:17 And, um, so I started giving it a look, and then, uh, a more serious look, and then I said, "Wait a minute. No. This, this is real." So I just went all in on that. Um, Bitcoin who? Uh, yeah. 9:34 [laughs] So, um, I, I, I went into XRP. I looked at the code. I loved what they- Mm... were doing. Um, the code was so easy to read- Yeah... 'cause it's really not code. 9:46 If, if, you know, if, uh, anyone's looking at the XRP ledger and going, "Oh, but I don't know how to code"- Mm... like, have you even gone to xrpl.org? 9:55 I mean, yeah, there's code there, but it's all described in plain English. Uh, and so I read the... I read it. 10:02 Uh, I'm not a strong programmer myself, although I did go through programming classes in school and, and I do dabble, but it... but not really with the web space of things. 10:13 A lot of just, you know, uh, stuff for industry. Mm. Um, but, you know, I could follow along with what was going on. I said, "This is great." Um, I wasn't really looking to build anything at all at the time. 10:24 I was just looking at the technology and really looking at the connections, the, the, the... what, what was being planned, you know, by the banks and whoever is out there planning their plans. 10:37 Um, and then so I was, I was going with that. Uh, and then once- Sure... uh, I believe it was, uh, was it December 21st or thereabouts? 10:46 Anyway, uh, when the bear season starts coming and, you know, everyone's like, "Oh, okay. Well, it's the bear season," I said, "Okay. Well, um, 10:55 I'll just take some of my winnings and, uh, I'm going to jump into creating utility for the space," because I was spotting a few things in the XRP space, and in crypto in g- general, that were really rubbing me the wrong way. 11:11 You know? Mm. Just things I w- I was not liking, uh, where it was going, you know, the limitations, and we'll talk about those. Um, but I was seeing that and I said, "You know what? I think we could do better." Mm-hmm. 11:24 And so we, uh... I actually started a project that was, uh, related to rewarding, uh, content creators, such as yourself. 11:35 Um, I saw there was a problem with people purchasing fake views, fake likes, fake engagement, and I thought I could hach- actually, you know, solve that problem through real engagement. It's just a matter- Mm... 11:48 of connecting the right people to their au- you know, to, to their audience. Um- Yeah... once I did some market research, and this is where a lot of projects fail, is they don't do their market research- Mm-hmm... 12:02 um, I realized that, um- It's a very saturated market. Everyone's looking to serve you, the content creator- Mm-hmm... right? 12:10 So it wasn't a, a m- market that I thought would, uh, I would, I would be good at, you know, I would have any, you know, success. 12:18 In fact, I'd be, you know, competing with a lot [laughs] of people, uh, probably more well-connected and, and better- Mm... funded. Um, so, uh, that, that was a, a thing, you know. 12:29 So I'm like, "Okay, well let me pivot out of that and into something more primitive," because I was really looking for utility. And to me, um, I'm, I'm, I'm looking at the space, and what was being labeled utility- Mm... 12:45 wasn't something that I myself would consider utility. Mm. Right? Right. You know? And so to me, utility is something you actually use and do, and it's probably not sexy. It's just something boring and mundane. Mm-hmm. 13:01 Yeah. But that's what, that's what real utility is, you know. For example, you know, um, this pen is a utility. Yeah. Right? Um- You write with it, yes. This is correct. It, it- You use it... it's not shiny. 13:13 It's, it's, it doesn't, you know, give you 3,000, uh, APY, uh, or anything, but I can do so much damage with this- Mm... or so much healing. Right? Right. Um, and so I was looking at that. 13:29 Um, and so it got to me that messaging is actually a utility that is within the scope of the crypto space, but it's also within everyone's scope, you know? Mm. Um, so you message people outside of crypto, right? 13:47 Everyone's got a phone and they're messaging back and forth. Mm-hmm. I did, so I did what, what every project should do. I did market research, right? Mm-hmm. 13:56 And so I started researching that market, segmenting it out, and I realized that the, um, the blockchain messaging industry is predicted to grow, um, almost 43% year over year. Wow. 14:15 And that's a huge, huge growth. Yes. Um- God, that's massive... 14:19 but, but more importantly is that the, the P2P, in other words, the person-to-person transactional market, in other words, me paying you, you paying me, me sending you an NFT and back, or any type of value transaction, um, that's gonna be $150 billion industry by 2030. 14:44 Wow. And so we looked at the opportunity and saw that by jumping on the blockchain messaging, uh, 14:55 train, we could leverage that growth into the P2P transactional market. Mm. And I know this might be a little boring, but, uh, what we did is basically, you know, looking at the market, we realized that this... 15:09 And then, you know, we looked at, okay, well, who's in the, who's in the market right now? Mm. Um, and it's very, very few players. Um, s- and, and those... And surrounded by some very huge, huge players, okay? 15:24 And those huge players are, you know, you got your Discords, your, um, Telegrams- Mm... your WhatsApps, right? But within the scope of crypto, there really wasn't a player. 15:34 There are some apps that are really, you know, trying to do, you know, the, the messaging. Um, but I feel that that's not enough, because anyone can message through any means. It, it, it, it... 15:47 Messaging is ubiquitous, right? Mm-hmm. It should not be the product. It should be the product delivery platform, right? Mm-hmm. And so we're looking at it from that approach. 15:59 And so what we're doing is we're taking the messaging utility and using blockchain to enhance messaging, and we do that through various ways. Um, and in TexRP, we do it by, 16:14 um, allowing you to tap into the utilities that blockchain do offer within the space of a chat message, right? Mm. So I could be chatting with you and wanting to send you a payment. Well, I can do that within that space. 16:32 Um, if I want to, say, trade an NFT with you, perform some kind of sale transaction, we can do that within the scope of that chat environment. Mm-hmm. And so the, the, the, the, the, the point being that we don't... 16:49 th- so you don't have to actually leave the communication environment that you're in to perform other tasks. Right. Uh, if you, if you're in sales, for example, you want to eliminate as much friction between... 17:03 You know, you, you wanna make it easy for the customer to make the purchase- Exactly... right? Um- It's like boom, yes... you don't want to, you know, have the customer have to jump through hoops- Right... 17:15 to get to the point of purchasing, because by the, the point, by the time they get back to you, they may have changed their mind. Mm-hmm. 17:21 So it's all about removing that, that, that friction, those extra steps, um, that work well, not just in the sales environment, but also in a community environment. 17:33 So we have, you know, what TexRP is, is basically a competition to what Telegram and Discord is, are, right? So they are platforms that connect communities. Mm. 17:47 Um, Discord, remember, was originally meant for the gaming community. Right. Right? So you have a lot of that aspect is tailored toward that. Mm-hmm. Telegram, I don't know what they were tailored to. 18:00 I think maybe, uh, scammers. Right. But there, there you have, you have that. And so you have the crypto space in which- Mm... they're looking at what options they have to build a community. 18:12 And they see Discord with their insecure, uh, uh, um, way of communicating, um, their, their plethora of scammers and people pretending to be someone who they're not. Right. 18:26 Um, and then all sorts of just different hacks that people, you know, the scammers have figured out on Discord. Mm. And you got Telegram, which personally I can barely figure out. Um, and- [laughs]... 18:37 I know that a lot of people- Yeah... have a hard time just figuring out the interface- Yeah... 18:42 how exactly it works, um, just shutting off communication, the, the, all the notifications, you know, all the bots and everything going on. 18:50 And so we see the opportunity of providing that space for the early adopters of crypto who are seeing the space and going, "Where is the utility?" Mm-hmm. Where is the... 19:04 Because, you know, we could talk about all the, uh, you know, all the things I've seen that are just I disagree with. Mm-hmm. Um, I'm trying to keep it positive, [laughs] you know, but, uh- That's right. 19:14 We wanna be positive... there, there is a lot of stuff out there that just, you know, I don't like. Yeah. I, I think it's bad for the, for the space. Mm-hmm. Um, and so we, we did everything different. 19:23 We did everything... I looked at the space and I said, "How do I bring up, how do I stand up Text RP- Mm-hmm... in a way that's different from everyone else?" Mm-hmm. 19:32 So the first thing I did was I built Text RP with my own money. That's something you don't see in the crypto space. 19:38 I didn't go out there begging, you know, hardworking people for their money, um, in, in the form of some NFT or some coin or whatever. I just went ahead, built the damn thing. Mm. 19:51 And after I had a prototype, then I got on X, I created an account, and I announced to the space, "I have a thing that you can actually look at and use right now." Mm. Right? [laughs] And so, um, that, that... 20:07 I'm very proud of how we stood up Text RP. It's not something that most crypto projects do. Right. They go, "Hey, I have an idea. 20:16 I was in the shower the other day and I got an idea, and I figured, hey, why don't I just have a bunch of strangers fund this idea? 20:23 Um, I have no business experience, I don't know what I'm doing, but hey, let's go for it because, you know, it's crypto and anything can happen." And so, uh- That's right. That's right. Optimism. 20:32 [laughs] You know, you get a lot of people that ge- get in over their heads, don't know what they're doing- Right... um, don't even have the funds to do it. 20:40 They're just going out there with the last, you know, 100 bucks they have to their name, and hopefully they'll get enough people to buy into their idea, which, hey, they, they may have the best intentions. 20:51 I'm not saying that it's a bad idea or that, you know, they have ill intentions. Mm. But oftentimes you gotta do your market research when you get out of the shower with that idea that you just came up with. Yeah. 21:03 You do. You have to. That's huge. You gotta do your market research. It's number one, and then- And you have to... Yeah, you, market research, you have to be sure you're sustainable, at least for a good run. Right. 21:13 You know, most businesses will run five years at a loss. Mm-hmm. Okay. So if you're gonna start a project, you better prepare, be prepared to be broke for five years at least. Yeah. Uh, and so, uh, that's what I did. 21:27 I was prepared to be broke for five years, and- And-... you know, here we are, uh, chugging along. We're still here. Yep. We are now on year four of Text RP. Year four. That's, that's good. 21:37 We haven't gone anywhere, and actually we've been growing. And, and, and all this with very li- you know, again, I do things differently. I don't answer the shillers, okay? 21:49 So in the four years, in the three and some change years that we've been out there, um, never once have I purchased, you know- Yeah... uh, um, an engagement, followers. 22:03 Um, you know, I haven't paid shillers to shill our app. Um- Mm-hmm. Oh, and by the way, yes, we do have NFTs, and do, we do have tokens, but those are secondary to the utility that we're providing. Mm. See? 22:16 And that's where I, I like to be. I like to, to, you know, have our utility at the forefront, not our cryptos and our, and our, our tokens that we're just trying to sell to people. 22:27 No, I absolutely love that, and I think more projects should be like that, more driven on the utility aspect. And it was so funny, you were, like, describing that pen earlier. I was like, what's a chair? 22:37 I'm sitting on a chair right now. That's literally utility to sit on a chair. That's what it's made for. 22:43 There's tons of chairs that you can buy at any type of price point, but the thing is you need chairs to sit down on. And you need one now- Boom... not a promise of a chair later. That's right. Exactly. 22:56 And if I don't get that chair right now, like, that's, that, that... What does that do me? That, that does do me anything, right? I need a chair to sit on. That's the utility currently that I'm on and it's doing its job. 23:07 It's, it's- Mm-hmm... the use, and that's use, right? Utility. And I'm just like, how many projects since I've been running Spaces since 2021, well, have actual real utility? Not many. Not many. 23:21 I would say less than 0.001%, like that. Like, a lot of it is just you see these pretty images, right? Mm. And they, sometimes they move, sometimes they don't. You mint them, right? Or, oh, that meme token looks great. 23:34 You know, let me go put my money investment into that. Oh, that was a rug. Darn it. Guess I lost my money again. Yeah. I mean, look- You know?... I have some hot takes. I have some hot takes- [laughs]... 23:44 on this thing, and don't get me started 'cause, uh, yeah, I mean, it's- Yeah... it's, it's a bit of a circle jerk if you ask me. Um, like- And, and you told me you've been in crypto Twitter for a while, right? 23:53 Like, you've been part of the whole- Yeah, yeah... system for a while- Of course... for the last four or five years. 23:58 And, and- So it's like from you, from a developer standpoint then, like, take me through, like, has there e- been any kind of shills out there with, like, real utility that you can actually invest in, that you could actually share with someone, and be it that that's a big deal? 24:16 Like, that's... Like, you would actually rep them, right? You'd- Yeah, there, there is utility out there. 24:21 And then, you know, out of, out of the noise, there are projects out there that are building something real and are, you know, um, you know, uh, working towards sustainability, and that's important too. 24:43 All right, so Crypto Fam, I'm gonna, um, ask you a quick question. Um, are you here? Because your video did freeze. Oh. 24:59 I'm gonna stand by for just a moment, see if you come back in. 25:10 Yeah. 29:24 All right. I think we're back. Bro, tell me that that video saved. Yeah, it automatically saves. So, um- Okay, good. So we can continue then. All right. That sucks. I worry well, don't I? [laughs] All right. 29:39 So my parents- Uh-oh. Oh. No. 29:47 [laughs] It keeps coming in and out. Yeah, I see that. Oh, there we go. There we go. I think we're back. Okay. All right. Yeah, yeah, they were messing with the internet up there. 30:05 They had to fix something, my parents. So anyway, we're back. I think we're good. Um, it records... Um, I was asking you a question mid-sentence Damn it. [laughs] No, don't do... Stop doing this to me, Willie. All right. 30:18 So we were talking about... Yeah, you're gonna have to splice these together. Oh, projects. Proj- yeah, yeah, I'll definitely splice this, don't worry. So projects, real- with real utility. 30:25 Did you find anything of- Yeah... importance on your crypto journey? I'll just let you, I'll just let you start off with a question so, so we can, you know- Perfect, perfect. Yeah. 30:32 So, um, when you were doing your crypto Twitter back in the day, starting your, your journey, um, on, on X and whatnot, what other projects that you came across that actually had real utility that was not vaporware? 30:47 Did you find any? And if you did, like, what did you find? Um, well, you know what? In the early days of, um, the IOU tokens- Mm-hmm... or NFTs. So, so 31:01 before, um, before the XRPL had NFTs, uh, obviously, we, we call them trust line tokens, meme coins, what have you, right? That's always been a part of the XRP ledger. 31:14 Um, so, uh, as we were approaching the NFT amendment, uh, a lot of projects were propping up, you know, going, "Hey, uh, we're gonna issue these tokens that serve as IOUs, so that when the NFTs come, you'll be able to swap them for, you know, the token for an NFT." 31:34 And so that's how these projects were funding themselves. Um- Mm. I don't think... I mean, I could be wrong, but I don't think I saw an, uh, a single project that was self-funded- Hmm... 31:52 to be honest. I, I don't know- Okay... of any project that was, uh, you know, like, that they went ahead, created the, at least to the point of a prototype before they went, "Hey," you know, asking for money for people. 32:05 Right. Um, I could be wrong. I could be wrong, but, um, just my... I think every single one of them I encountered was, "Hey, give us money. We promise we're gonna do something with it." Um- And they never did. 32:17 [laughs] No, actually, no, some did. Some did. Some did. Okay, that's good. I mean, there's, uh, you know, XPunks, for example. Oh, yeah. 32:24 XPunks went ahead and, with their proceeds, created onXRP, which was an NFT marketplace that later on, they, uh, I guess they pivoted and became, um, Bids.com. And, uh, so they're still chugging along. Great... 32:37 You know, that's a success story, um, you could chalk, chalk up to that one. Um, but, you know, that's, again, all, all this depends on being pre-funded. Right. So we're doing something completely different. 32:50 No hype, just straight up boring utility that's messaging. But I think that what's happening right now is we're achieving, uh, a point of sort of, like, critical mass, where- Hmm... 33:02 more and more people are starting to see TexRP. We've recently reached some milestones that are pretty impressive for an application- Yeah... in this space. 33:13 Um, you know, we've, uh, won certain awards that, that have put us sort of in the spotlight. Um- That's huge... you know, first, uh, we won the second place in the Ripple Hackathon in summer of 2023. 33:28 Uh, we won, uh, second place on that one. Most recently, we won the, uh, first place in the XRP Las Vegas Shark Tank competition- Nice... uh, which was last year. 33:41 Um, and so, uh, people are asking, "Are you gonna compete this year?" I'm like, "Uh, well, it's still TexRP." I mean, I, I'm, I'm happy to bring it up there if it, uh, you know, pin it up against other projects. 33:53 Um, but there, there's, there's a few projects. So I mentioned one. Okay, um, I think I'm just beating around the bush because, um, there are some, maybe some trading bots out there- Yeah... some gaming, um, projects. 34:08 So for example, like- Mm-hmm... I know Zertmon comes to mind. Mm-hmm. Um, and there's a few out there, but I, I don't wanna list them off for fear that maybe they just don't exist anymore. [laughs] No, that's fair. 34:21 That's fair, you know? And- No, 'cause that's just what happens, that there's a lot of projects from back in the day that I just don't see anymore. I don't know if they're active or not. 34:31 Uh, I may hold some of their NFTs or not. But- Yeah... um, you know, at the end of the day, that's kind of the thing, you know? Seeing that it was all cookie cutter. Everyone was doing pretty much the same thing. Right. 34:41 You know, selling an NFT to be part of some community, whether it's the, you know, the, the happy, uh, hens, the, the, the, the prancing pandas, the sneaky snakes, the whatever you wanna be, you know- Yeah... 34:55 whatever community you wanna be. Um- Yeah. Yeah... th- th- th- there's that, and they were just, uh, creating these tokens and a community, and they were setting up on Discord- Mm... 35:07 and kind of just sharing good vibes- Right... which is great, I guess. You know, it's, it's fun. I mean, you know, there's escapism. Sure. Uh, and, and that's important for some, for a lot of people. Right. 35:21 Um, uh, that, that, that kind of bug kind of passed me, you know? I never got it. Uh, you know, maybe it's just I, I, I lived a hard life, you know? Uh, and so- [laughs]... 35:32 I, I'm, I'm kind of a, like, a down to earth kind of person. Uh- Sure... you know, fantasy doesn't really get me. You know, like, I'm not, I'm not into going off into fantasy land. 35:44 So, um, and that's not to say that it's bad or that it's wrong or that people shouldn't do that. I'm just saying that's my own personal preference. And I can understand- Yeah... 35:54 that people, you know, wanna be part of a community that does X, Y, Z or whatever. But I also think to myself, like, do these people really know the people behind the projects? You know, are they really- Mm-hmm... 36:05 all about that? You know, what are their real motives? Um, and so I, I always look at everything with a lot of skepticism, and I never really wanna get myself involved in something of that nature. 36:18 Yet I wanted, at the same time, to be able to support people who have these endeavors who want to create a community, or as I like to call them, microeconomies, because that's really what they are- Um, they're just centered around a theme. 36:36 Um- Mm... 36:37 and so, uh, I looked at this and I said, you know, with- through messaging, through, you know, an app that, that you can create communities, but not only create communities and chat, because you can do that in Discord, you can do that on, uh, on, on, on Telegram, 36:53 it's also integrated into the XRPL. So you can do things like native token gating, right? So you can, uh, sh- you know, close off access to a specific chat room, you know, to holders of a specific NFT or, uh, a token. 37:12 Um, there's the chat pay, so you can send payments right there in the chat. Um, there- Mm... we have a P2P, uh, NFT trading widget, which basically- Yeah... allows you to trade NFTs right there in the chat. 37:25 Um, we have games coming up. Uh, we recently partnered with Ripple Rocket, and- Mm... they are creating the TexRP's first decks widget, so you'll be able to perform, uh, decentralized exchange actions right there- Mm... 37:40 in the chat with your community. 37:42 Um, s- one of our communities even, um, embedded a widget for onboarding so that the people who visit their community can purchase that token right there in the chat without having to exit, right? So we make... 37:57 They, they make everyth- you know, the widgets can be whatever you want, right? So, and that's the point. We want people to be able to interact with the blockchain. 38:05 But think about it this way, you know, there's that problem that people have, "Well, how do we onboard more people into this and onto that?" 38:11 Well, dude, you're trying to onboard your grandma into a bonded curve DeFi platform that most people don't understand, right? Mm. And that's not gonna happen, right? 38:23 But if you onboard your grandma onto a chat where you, she can chat with her, you know, her, her grandkids, um, she... That's more likely something that she'll understand, right? Mm-hmm. 38:34 Because she's been doing that anyway, I assume, on Facebook, right? Right. Um, because that's where grandmas hang out. Uh, and s- Or, and, and my mom and my dad. [laughs] Well, yeah, true. Well, you better- Older. 38:47 [laughs] They, they're pr- they're probably asking when, when they're gonna be grand- when they're gonna- Uh... are they gonna... When are they gonna have their grandkids? Right. Yeah. Right? Exactly. 38:55 That's a different topic. On Facebook, on Facebook. No, totally different topic. Yeah. We'll get you squared away. [laughs] Focus, focus. Um, why do you think people get into crypto, Will? Um, greed. Mm. Sorry. 39:09 Did I say something too- Greed... too close to the truth? No, no. Everyone's got different answers. I, I haven't heard that one. I think that's my... My, my I, I think the, the main reason is greed. Greed. 39:19 I think people see a, a, a way to make money, and they do that. Mm-hmm. And they jump into it. I mean, they, just simple, simple as that. 39:26 Now, we can elaborate on that and different levels to it, and, and is it a bad thing versus it a good thing? Well, it's a spectrum. 39:34 I mean, greed can be good, but it's also can be- can lead people to perform very unethical actions, right? And so- Sure... um, you know, it, it, it, it... But, you know, what gets people into crypto? Uh, money. You know? 39:47 The, the, the, the, the possibility of, of life-changing gains. At least to the people who, you know, buy into crypto, right? You know? Right. And of course, I got my bags, but- Right... 39:59 you know, um, and, and, and, and I would be dishonest to say that that's not my reason for holding bags. Mm-hmm. Uh, because I want the price to go up. Duh. Right. Right? Of course. Um, like, what... 40:10 Well, no, 'cause, uh, I just like holding. Um, but, but there are those people who say, "I'm just here for the technology." Right. Right. Of course. Um- Are you? Are you really? [laughs] You're here to make money. 40:22 I'm not saying that... No. Mm. I'm saying that, yes, I, I, I love the technology, and I love being here for the technology. Nice. You know? Yeah. Number one. Um, but I wanna do it ethically, you know? Mm-hmm. 40:34 I, I, you know, I have my beliefs. I, you know, I, I have a Christian background, you know, and I'm- Right... I'm just not gonna go the way of what I see a lot of projects do of just, like, taking money. Mm. 40:45 A- and, you know, they may have good intentions, but look, if I'm... A- I may have good intentions too, but I'm, I'm just, you know... I'm just not gonna ask for people for money. 40:53 I'm, it's just not my style of doing things. Um, so that being said, we, we... You know, I will happily ask people for money if it's for a service, right? Mm. Right. 41:03 Something they can actually use or have or enjoy right now. Right. And so when we launched our launch pack NFTs, they were ready to be used within the platform. Mm. Right? 41:19 So, you know, our launch pack NFTs are... They are founder-level NFTs. They grant you access to all the premium features on the TexRP fla- platform, um, that you don't have to have a separate feature pack for. 41:35 Basically, it's like a premium pass. Mm. So you hold this one NFT in your wallet, you connect... And we, I know we haven't really spoken about TexRP- No, we haven't... 41:46 but, but, but w- but we take a lot of, you know, uh, pride in what we're doing. See, when you log into to Discord... In fact, I just got the ping on my phone. 41:57 I'm gonna post this on X, but this is, uh, this is breaking news, fam. Breaking news. Mm. Discord is going to start biometric, requiring biometric scanning and IDs to use the app. Oh, that's huge. That's huge. Wow. 42:15 Now, we ditched Discord already. In fact, we wrote a Medium article onto why we ditched it months ago. Mm. Yes, we still have a presence there, but we're basically directing people to TexRP. Right. 42:26 Um, there's many reasons, uh, and now we were just given today yet another reason why we're not on Discord, and why you shouldn't be. Yeah. Right. 42:34 Um, by the way, Discord is owned by Tencent, which is owned by China, which is owned by the CCP. I knew it. I knew it I know it. I knew it now. So, um, yeah- You're just as bad as TikTok. [laughs] So, the, the, 42:46 the, TextRP is a, is a sec- is a privacy first chatting, uh, messaging platform. Right. We use a very robust, very, uh, proven protocol- Mm... that is already being used by governments throughout the world. 43:04 Right. This protocol is being used by the German, uh, Ministry of Health. This protocol is used by the Italian and French militaries. 43:15 This protocol is used by Homeland Security to consolidate their messages from various departments. And what I'm talking about is called the Matrix Protocol. All right? 43:24 So what we did is we took the Matrix Protocol, we forked it, and we heavily modified it so that we integrate it with, with the XRPL. So it's a very, um, customized version of that protocol. Mm. 43:39 And what we do is we, we create your identity i- as your wallet address. Right. So basically, we don't require you to give us any personal information to register for the app. 43:53 In fact, there's hardly even any registration. We've practically pre-registered every wallet on the ledger that exists and will ever exist. Okay. That's huge. 44:06 Uh, and so basically you just connect your wallet to TextRP, and you're instantly created a telecommunications portal for your wallet where you can have end-to-end encrypted communications, that's wallet to wallet. 44:22 Uh, you could set up community spaces like we, like we spoke about. Mm-hmm. But also we have bridges. So this allows you to bridge onto other messaging platforms. Right. So for example, let's take Discord. Mm-hmm. 44:38 If for whatever reason you still have a presence in Discord and, you know, you wanna keep tabs on what's happening there- Mm-hmm... 44:46 you can actually bridge your Discord messages over to TextRP, where you will be provided with one inbox where you can consolidate all your messages and just manage everything out of one app rather than having- Mm... 45:01 to switch between apps to get anything done. Right. 45:05 So, uh, that's kind of like the purpose of TextRP, you know, it's just a, your, your main communications hub that allows you to not just communicate with people, but to perform the actions that you're there to communicate with them for anyway, right? 45:20 Right. Usually you're talking to someone for a reason, right? Right. Right. And, and eight times out of 10, the 20- 20, 80/20 rule is, has to do with some kind of transaction, right? 45:31 And so, uh, we, we're, we're there at the point where those transactions happen at the point of communication, right? Right. 45:37 Right now, we're, we live in a world where you communicate, and then the follow-up transaction happens somewhere else, right? And so we're, we're just basically bringing all that into one space. So- Mm... TextRP is live. 45:52 Like right now, um, you know, those launch packs are, uh, kind of like anyone can use it without the launch pack. 46:00 The launch pack NFT basically just grants you access to all the premium features because TextRP is not just text, right? We can do, you know, everything you expect from a modern-day messaging platform. 46:13 You know, you got your emojis, your, your GIFs, your, your, your video clips. 46:18 You can send, you know, you can have video calls, you can have voice calls, you can have teleconference calls just like we're having here, you and me, right on TextRP, right? So, um- That's huge. That's huge... 46:29 you know, we ourself, yeah, we, we use TextRP internally for our team communications. You know, we ha- we have our team meetings on TextRP. 46:39 When it's payday, I pay my developers right on TextRP using the chat pay feature. So a lot happens on TextRP and, you know, it's, it's really like an open secret that, uh, I created TextRP to make my life easier, right? 46:54 And if it happens to make your life easier too, then, you know, it's a win. That's huge. No, that's really huge. And I wanna go back to a little more of how you started in crypto again. 47:06 You said you started with Bitcoin, with finances. Wanted to make money in crypto, right? Like everyone. Sure. And then you jumped to Ripple. What happened to Ethereum? 47:15 Why didn't you start building on Ethereum originally? Hmm. I'm curious about that- Well-... because that was out. That was out back then, you know? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. 47:22 But, but let me guess, it was probably the gas fees, right, that turned you off? Like, let's be real. What do you think? Yeah. It, it was the gas. That's what I thought. Yeah. I got gassed out. You know- Okay... 47:31 I was, um- That makes sense... I was jumping into some, you know, DeFi projects on Eth, on Ethereum- Mm-hmm. Yeah... and like realized that like no matter, even if I had, uh, an, a winnings, it- Mm... 47:43 it would get all burned up in the gas anyway. So- Yeah... um, I just, I just ditched it. I was like, "Eh, it's, it's not for me." Yeah. Now that's not to say that we are not building on Ethereum. 47:55 That's what I was gonna say. Yeah. You mind sharing? [laughs] Yeah. I mean, look, what we created out of TextRP, you know- Yeah... 48:02 and, and I'll basically put this out there, that TextRP, and, and, and going back to what we were talking about, projects are temporary. Mm. Right? TextRP is the flagship product of our company. Mm-hmm. Right? 48:21 Through TextRP, we are showing what, uh, to other, not just other crypto ventures, but also enterprises, established businesses, what is possible with our technology. Mm. Right? 48:37 And so, um- Cannot go into a whole lot of detail, but our, you know, our backend operations involve reaching out and communicating with partners where we provide communication solutions for them. 48:56 Right. Because in essence, our company is a communications solutions provider. Mm. It just so happens that our flagship product is TextRP. Love that. That's awesome. We definitely... 49:14 I, I, I just admire your journey, like you've spent the last now four years, you're on year four building TextRP, and you're doing it the opposite way of most people, right? 49:26 And I think that's really cool, um, in that respect, but I wanna know how you're looking to scale it, I guess, the next year or so with users. What, what do you have in mind with just, like market strategy and so forth? 49:39 Okay. Yeah. Oh, 2026 is gonna be huge. Mm. So right now we're actively, um... 49:45 Okay, to use TextRP, you connect your crypto wallet in order to, to, to, to talk, because your identity is not your personal information- Right... you're just a wallet address. Right. Right? That's all you are, 50:01 unless you choose to dox yourself, you know, further. Right? But, um, that being said, when you connect your wallet currently in our beta version, uh, you can use your Xaman wallet, X-A-M-A-N. 50:16 Uh, it is right now the most popular wallet on the XRPL space. However, we are actively involved in expanding access to more than just the Xaman wallet. 50:31 So wherever you have XRP, pretty soon you'll be able to connect and turn that XRP wallet into a communications terminal, uh, or, or, or, or basically a communications node of a sort. 50:47 And so, um, that's one of the very big things that we have coming is we're expanding access to more wallets. Mm. Uh, we're also, uh, partnered with a company that will be providing what's known as wallet procurement. 51:04 All right? And what this means basically is when you come to TextRP and, uh, if you are, say... Let's say you invite your, you know, your, your, your dad [laughs] you know, who's not into crypto into TextRP. 51:21 He's like- Right... "All right, fine. I'll chat with you on TextRP. I'll see what's, what this is all about." They'll be able to go to TextRP and it'll say, "Connect your wallet." And he'll... 51:30 First thing he'll go is like, "I don't have a... What do you mean connect my wallet?" He'll try to reach in his pocket and try to, you know, find a plug. Sure. It ain't gonna happen. Sure. Right? 51:39 So there's gonna be a little option that says, "Oh, don't have a wallet? Just click here." Mm-hmm. They'll be able to click there. Mm-hmm. Through one, two, three steps 51:52 they'll have a wallet, and they'll be instantly logged into TextRP. Nice. Their wallet will be a custodial wallet- Mm... that will be managed by a third party. They'll be able to then follow up. 52:05 They'll basically sign in with their Google account. Um, and then they'll have a wallet. 52:09 They'll follow it with it later, but they'll have instant access to TextRP, giving TextRP, um, you know, uh, having, giving access to TextRP to everyone, not just anyone with a wallet, right? 52:23 So that's also very exciting. I can't wait to, you know, roll that out. Um, and then, uh, we are going to be expanding our bridges. So currently- Mm... 52:34 we have two bridges available, um, or I should say two, but then one. We had the X Bridge that allowed you to pipe in your DMs from X. Oh. Yeah. Cool. 52:49 Uh, we also had another, we have another bridge, which is your Discord bridge that allows you to pipe in your messages from Discord. 52:57 Uh, currently because of the changes that X has done to the way they do direct messaging- Mm... uh, that bridge is out of service. Got it. 53:08 [laughs] And so we're working on rebuilding a bridge that meets their specs that will then- Sure... allow us to bridge in, uh, X. So currently it's out of service. We have the Discord bridge available. Okay. 53:22 Um, and we will be releasing very soon the Telegram bridge and the WhatsApp bridge. Oh, okay. Cool. So these will allow you to bridge in your Telegram messages and your WhatsApp messages all into one inbox called TextRP. 53:38 Beautiful. Beautiful. When do you think a mobile version of TextRP would be available for the public? That's also in the works. Um, we are, uh, in the early works on that because- Okay... 53:50 um, there's just a lot to consider, um- Oh... when it comes to, um, iOS, for example- Right... and the Apple Store. Yeah. There are some challenges when it comes to that because of our crypto payments capabilities. Mm. 54:07 Um- Okay... Apple likes... Uh, well, Apple does not like it when you make money through an app and they don't have their hands in there, right? Of course. They have to get their cut. 54:20 And so, uh, we're, uh, exploring ways in which we can, uh, get an, an app into the Apple store that will be approved, right? 'Cause w- I don't wanna- Right... 54:31 spend time and money on developing an app that's just gonna get kicked out right off the bat, right? So- Right... we're working on ways in which we can meet their, um, standards and be, and be a, um- 54:43 Uh, allowed in, right? Correct. Uh, with, uh, with Android it's a little easier. Right. Because- I would think so, yeah... 54:51 because even if we get rejected by their Google Play Store, we can still, you know, people can still download the APK- Right... uh, file and run it, you know, uh, just download it and run it. Interesting. 55:04 Uh, so, so it's a little easier to that. So- Okay... we are lining up developers for that. Mm-hmm. Uh, we just have not found that right person. Oh. You know? Uh- Sure... we have a great team of developers. 55:18 Right now we just onboard, our team grew by 60% this year. That's huge. Okay. That's huge. So we are, we are up to, like, eight or nine developers now, okay? Got it. 55:30 Uh, and each is working on a little bit of, you know, a, a, a little task within TexRP- Mm-hmm... improving the overall integration aspect of it. Uh, we went to market right away. 55:42 Like I, you know, my approach is get the hell to market. Um, the- Right... we'll improve later. Uh, this is how iPhone did it, right? iPhone, if you remember when the iPhone 1 first came out back in- Right. 55:56 I don't know when... 2007? Sure. [laughs] Yeah, it's 2007. Uh- I can't remember. No, it came out, if, I don't know if you remember it, it was, uh- Okay. [laughs]... it was cool 'cause it had the screen, right? 56:08 But- Oh, okay... but, but really it, it had no video. You couldn't take video. It was camera, but no video. Um, there was no App Store, and about the coolest feature it had was a compass, right? Right, right. 56:22 And- Yeah, I remember that... and, and so here we are now, right? [laughs] Best seller, all that stuff, right? Right. But it had to start somewhere, right? Mm-hmm. It had to get to market s- you know, at, at some point. 56:34 Right. And I could not wait around to have TexRP be perfect before I release it. Right. Right? So that's why it's in beta still, basically. It's in beta. Uh- So people can still try... 56:45 but, but, but it, it was actually the best choice we did. Mm. Because as a result, we've gotten a lot of user feedback and we're, you know, basically taking that feedback- Mm-hmm... 56:57 and feeding it back to our developers, right? Right. And so they're, they're taking that information, um, improving upon the product. 57:05 And so over time we're gonna have ourselves, you know, a very, uh, you know, a killer app. 57:10 And, and you know, a lot of people have, uh, compared it to WeChat, and I'm not sure if you're familiar with WeChat, um, but in essence it's like an everything app because- Right... 57:22 of how we have widgets in our app- Mm-hmm... that engage with the user. Right. 57:27 Um, you know, that just opens up so many use cases, and I've seen, you know, already a bunch of use cases that I couldn't even have thought of, uh, within TexRP. 57:37 Um, we've onboarded over, uh, 5,300 wallets now- That's awesome... uh, onto the app. We have over 23 communities that have made TexRP their home. Mm. And we're inviting more to, you know- Right... 57:50 to come and, and check us out. Um, I believe Crypto Fam Radio has a, a, a page that a, a, a group that they've, um, I saw they've- Right... you guys have, have been starting to- Really? [laughs]... make XRP your home. 58:03 And that's the beauty of it- Right... Crypto Fam, is that you don't even have to, you don't need my permission, you know? It's, it's just, it's an app that you get- Right... to use. 58:11 You don't need- nobody needs anyone's permission to go to TexRP.io and connect their wallet and start using it. 58:20 Um, we are the messaging chat layer for the XRPL, and pretty soon our company, uh, will be providing the same type of services for other blockchains. Mm-hmm. 58:32 When we do that, that's just gonna open up a whole world of cross-chain communications that I don't think we have the time to talk about. 58:39 [laughs] I don't think we do either, Will, but at the same time, I see the vision for TexRP. 58:46 You know, once Nasi told me about he was taking this boot camp and I, he introduced me to you, and then from those interactions I was able to assess and do my own research, and then more talks with you in spaces and even offline, and I was a big promoter, like, initially. 59:06 Like, it just, it makes sense, right? And we have to think about things that make sense, like are they effective, are they not effective? 59:14 This is very effective, and it's a private communication layer that, um, in a lot of ways there was an app that used to be like that called Signal. Do you remember that, Signal? I still use it. You still use it? Okay. 59:29 And I remember that was like, Elon really liked that app because it was, like, this private, secure chat. Yeah. Remember that? You just reminded me that we do have a Signal bridge coming. Interesting. Okay. 59:41 If you use, if you use Signal- Mm-hmm... you'll be also able to bridge in your Signal messages onto TexRP- That's huge... uh, as well. Just one central hub for all your communications needs. That's huge. 59:55 And, and, and yeah, after hearing that I'm like, "Isn't this what Elon promised us years ago with X, the everything app?" 1:00:01 I feel like it's the everything app in a lot of ways to your communication, to, you know, you- your advertisers not s- you know, or, or I should say platforms not stealing your information. 1:00:11 So advertisers can use to advertise, you know, whatever product or service like they do on the social media platforms. 1:00:16 Like, they can't, they can't do that because they don't have your information, and I don't think people really realize how huge that is, right? And they don't really get it, the whole privacy thing too. 1:00:28 That used to be a huge thing with the internet, now people don't even talk about privacy anymore and people just give up their information. Mm-hmm. Like, openly. 1:00:36 You see this now, and it's like, why the change all of a sudden with culture, right? Like, why, why are people so... At first they were so against it, but now they're like... 1:00:47 It, it used to be reluctant, now they're like, "Whatever." Now it's like, "Just take my information... and feed it to the algorithms. 1:00:54 You know, what, why, why has there been such a, a different change in the, in the public sentiment? Why, why, why do you think that is, Will? Uh, that's a good question. Actually, um, 1:01:05 I'm reminded of something that David Schwartz, who's the CTO of Ripple- Mm-hmm... um, recently he came onto a Space on Twitter. Yeah. And I believe it was with Karma Coverage. 1:01:23 Mm. And he spoke about something very similar to what you are asking. So he was talking about how... And I, and I have to agree with him- Mm... how there is this, maybe I'm... 1:01:40 Uh, okay, by the way, I'm, I might put words into his mouth, but, you know. It's okay. Just paraphrase. I'm kind of mixing in my own- Paraphrase. [laughs]... my own thing here. Sure. 1:01:47 But there seems to be some kind of, um, sense of sophistication, like a feeling of sophistication- Mm... 1:02:00 that, that washes over people when they discuss how important privacy is. Mm. Uh, 'cause, dude, you sound so smart when you talk about privacy. You sound like you care, you know? 1:02:16 [laughs] You sound like you're, like, up on the, you know, on, on what's happening in, in the world. Uh-huh. You know? And you're like, "Yeah, no privacy, end-to-end encryption," and all that. And, you know- Yeah... 1:02:27 "Oh, Zuckerberg." You know? Um, but- Yeah... I think that at the end of the day, and I hate to sound cynical- It's okay. Just be yourself. [laughs] But David Schwartz sort of said the same thing. Yeah. 1:02:42 I think at the end of the day people just kind of just pay lip service to, uh, to privacy matters. And they may... 1:02:53 A- and I think the reason they don't really, you know, they just pay lip service to it, they love talking about it- Yeah... to make them sound like they care, sophisticated, smart- Yeah... you know? 1:03:03 Uh, got their finger on the pulse of what's happening, but at the end of the day they'll, they, they'll go to Instagram and just spew out everything and, you know, uh, post pictures of their children. Um- Right... 1:03:15 you know? So I think at the end of the day it's just, like, lip service. Just makes... It's, it's just like a, it's, it's like the term, um, uh, uh, virtue signaling. You know? Right. I've heard of that term. 1:03:27 I, I think it- Yes... it may have to do a little bit with virtue signaling- Mm... 'cause you sound virtuous when we talk, when you talk about how important privacy is. Right. You know? Virtue signaling. 1:03:35 Oh, no, privacy is a very important matter, and, you know, the corporations shouldn't have, you know, access to your personal data, et cetera. 1:03:42 But then I'm gonna jump on Facebook and talk to everybody and, you know, get rage baited into something. Uh, so- Yeah... you know, at the end of the day I think a lot of it might be, sadly, lip service. 1:03:55 Um, you know, people don't really, uh, walk the walk. They just love the way they sound when they talk the talk. Talk the talk. Yeah. Um- The walk. Hot take maybe. Um- Mm... but I think really if... 1:04:08 It, it's a lot of that. Um, and then of course there's the actual issue of corporations spying on you, you know, the real beast here going on. Right. 1:04:16 Um, but he did talk about something very important, and it's that, like, a lot of people expect things to be free because they- Oh... they've gotten spoiled- Interesting... over, like, how everything is free. 1:04:27 But you've heard this old adage- Not free... that if, if- Nothing's free... if it's free, you're the product, right? That's right. In fact, in, in fact, saying that is one of those virtue signals. You know? Right. 1:04:39 You know? It's like, "Oh, well, you know, if, uh, if it's free you're the product." You see how smart I sound when I say that? Yeah, you sound so smart. I sound so- So smart... like, oh my God- So smart... 1:04:49 this guy knows what he's saying, you know? He knows what he's talking about, obviously. And so people love to say that, "Oh, you know- Right... if it's free it's because you're the product." Right. You know? 1:04:58 Okay, yeah, but again, it goes to lip service. Yes, you're the product, and then you go and use it, you know? [laughs] Um, so- Exactly... so really, do you really care? You know? Um, 1:05:11 I think at the end of the day a lot of people find themselves like, "Yeah, I care, but what choice do I have?" You don't have to use that product. Yeah, but that's where all my family is. 1:05:22 That's where- You know, all my connections are. Right, right. That's where all my conne- that's where I get my dopamine fix. Where it's at, yeah, my dopamine fix. You know? And so that's what- Yeah. That's true. Yeah. 1:05:31 I didn't think about that. Yeah. That makes sense though, but it's like you're forced to you these, use these platforms even though they take away your privacy. You're the... 1:05:43 You're, you're, you're the product, but you have to deal with that. But, but people don't want to pay for these services that they've gotten used to being free. Um, you know, originally- It's all the-... TXTRP-... 1:05:53 it's the advertising... uh, was a paid... Well, there are paid s- parts of it. Um, but, um, we, we ha- we run a, an, a credit system within the platform. Right. So we have known as M credits. M credits. 1:06:06 So on TXTRP when you log in, everybody who logs in for the first time receives 10 free M credits, and then sending chats within the platform burns up, uh,.02 M credits. Interesting. 1:06:21 Um, and up until recently, uh... And that was how we were able to sort of try to sustain what we've got, our platform. So but again, it comes to the fact that people just don't wanna pay. 1:06:33 And no matter how low we make the price, even though sending a message is as low as point zero, zero, zero, zero, zero, zero something pennies, 1:06:43 in people's minds it's still something that you have to pay for, even though we're not mining your data. Right. But people see that as a, as a blockage, right? 1:06:54 And so recently we've had to take a, a look at our model- And make some hard decisions, and one of those decisions was to open up mes- messaging within the app to be completely free. Mm. 1:07:08 So if you jump into TexRP, um, you're only using up the credits if you're messaging out to the, um, the bridged platforms, so, you know, if you're sending out to other platforms. 1:07:20 But if you're chatting within TexRP, it's not using up the credits anymore, it's completely free. Mm. Um, and then so going back to what David Schwartz was, uh, speaking about, something very insightful, 1:07:32 um, if a business is looking at that decision, "Okay, we, we go free," you know, like we're, we're trying to charge for a service, but people don't wanna pay for the service. Um, if we go free, you have to go... 1:07:47 you have to switch to advertising, right? Right. And the advertising model doesn't make money if it's not targeted, right? Right. Right. And so 1:07:57 you, you're, you're basically, you know, the, the, that consumer demand for something to be free is actually kind of forcing a business into having to harvest your data. Mm. Right. You know? 1:08:11 And so we're looking at ways to, to kind of alleviate that, so basically, you know, we've opened up, um, the, the, the chat to be free within the app. If you're chatting wallet to wallet, it's completely free. 1:08:26 Um, however, there are some things, like if you message via the bridges, it'll, it will consume a very low and nominal amount of, of M Credits, uh, as well as engaging with certain cr- uh, uh, widgets. Right. 1:08:41 M- like, if you wanna token-gate a room- Mm... that'll burn up, you know, some, some M Credits, uh, to, to, to token-gate that. And our NFT trading widget, one thing that we did is we have zero fees on that. 1:08:55 So there are zero trading fees. So if you are creating NFTs within TexRP- Mm-hmm... well, you're avoiding the NFT marketplace, uh, trading fees- That's-... those brokerage fees... that's huge. Yeah. Very huge. 1:09:11 That's huge, especially once you have the wallet accessible to any wallet. Like any- Yeah, absolutely... crypto wallet. So just imagine you could send an ETH, Ethereum NFT to another Ethereum wallet, NFT without OpenSea. 1:09:25 Oh, yeah. That's huge. Absolutely. That's huge. Yeah. So why does, why does OpenSea exist, then? And you can still sell the NFT, you're just not- Right. Yeah... paying that- You can sell it... 1:09:34 that fee to the broker You're listing it Um- To swap it or to send it through OpenSea... funny, funny thing, I'm not gonna name names, but I have contacted every NFT marketplace on the space. Mm. 1:09:45 Like, in, in the XRPL space. Right. I have contacted, I have spoken and contacted in some way to every NFT marketplace out there. Yeah. They're not happy that we have a P2P NFT trading widget. They don't like us. No. 1:10:02 Because- That's what I would think... well, as one NF- as, as one marketplace founder told me directly- Mm-hmm... 1:10:10 that individual told me, I'm not gonna say who he was, but that indi- individual told me, "We don't want people communicating." Wow. 1:10:18 "Because the moment they communicate they're gonna go peer to peer, and we're gonna lose out on the brokerage fee." Yep. That's huge. Okay. That's huge. So, A, they have their business model, we have ours. Um- Right... 1:10:34 I'm not, you know- [laughs] They're not gonna come after you, are they, Will? [laughs] Well, I don't know. Maybe the, the... I'm not s- I'm not claiming conspiracies here. [laughs] Yeah. 1:10:43 [laughs] But I would suggest, look, there are NFT, there are NFT marketplaces out there that are- Yeah... very forward-looking. They're going beyond the, "Hey, we're just trading NFTs and getting a cut off the trades." 1:10:57 All right? Mm-hmm. Because I see that, uh, as something that will be going away eventually, switching over to P2P and curated collet- collections. Mm. Right? Um, and then, uh, 1:11:13 so, so these marketplaces need to kind of expand. So I've seen, I've seen where they're doing things, loyalty points, loyalty rewards, uh- Right... 1:11:24 expanding into other things like minting platform, you know, minting launch pads. Um, you know, uh, and, and so those are very, they, they, they have to do that. 1:11:34 Like, they, you have to expand your services, because, you know, just relying on that one, "Hey, we're just gonna trade and, and, and get a fee off the brokerage," that's not gonna be- Right... uh, a long-term play. 1:11:46 Uh- Right... eventually people, eventually people are gonna figure out that you can just P2P. Right. Right. Right? And, and can't you do that already on TexRP? Could you mint your NFT on TexRP? [laughs] Or n- not yet? 1:12:01 We, we, our developers do have these little side projects that they work on. Okay. Right? On our widgets. So it's funny you say that, 'cause just recently our CTO showed me a little something. He's like, "Oh, okay." 1:12:12 It was an, actually he, he built an internal tool for us- Yeah... um, that, that turns out is really, um, a, an NFT minting launchpad [laughs] that we use internally to mint employee badges. We use- Okay... 1:12:28 employee ba- or, we use NFTs for, you know, real world shit, you know? Okay. Uh, not just... [laughs] Right. So, so internally within the team- Mm... we have employee badges. They're NFTs. Okay. 1:12:41 They give you access to certain places within annex, uh, within TexRP- Mm... that are for employees only. Um, and so- That's really cool. That's really cool... and, and by the way, any, anyone can do that on TexRP. 1:12:52 Like, you could r- right now, let's say- Yeah... CryptoFam Radio, "Hey, you wanna, uh, issue NFTs to your team," right? Sure. 1:13:01 And you, all you gotta do is go to N, uh, TexRP, token-gate a room to that NFT- And only people with that NFT have access to it. Right. 1:13:10 And so that's how we're handling our internal business dynamics is, you know, every employee gets an NFT, which is in essence a, a, a, a badge, you know? A badge. Yeah. You know, an employee badge- Right... 1:13:22 uh, that, that grants you access to various- Yeah... parts of our, you know, of our operations. That's so cool. Um, and- So would I have able access to that? The- Uh, no-... NFT or not? 1:13:33 You're not an employee, so you don't have an employee badge. However, you- Mm... could issue out your own NFTs. And actually- Yeah, yeah... going back to... All right, going back to your question. 1:13:41 So- Yeah, that's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm- Do we have NFT minting? Um- Yeah... we have something even better than that, okay? Oh. We have a platform where any developer can build any tool 1:13:55 on TextRP through our widgets. Mm. So can we have a, uh, an NFT minter? We could have 50, right? Nice. [laughs] It depends on what developer out there wants to build. And so- Yeah... 1:14:10 you know, part of our- This is huge... roadmap- Yeah... is a, uh, a widget, um, framework, which we already have, by the way. If you are a developer, you can reach out to us at, uh, we're @TextRPSMS on X. Mm-hmm. 1:14:27 Reach out to us. We can give you at, um, we'll, the link to our GitHub repos. 1:14:32 Uh, we have widget templates, we have chatbot templates, and very soon we'll be releasing our official documentation where developers can build chatbots, widgets, just like they can do for Telegram and Discord. 1:14:46 They'll be able to build out those tools on TextRP. The, uh, the cool thing is that, like we're, we're also integrated to the XRPL, so- Mm... you'll be able to perform things like, you know, push to wallets. 1:14:57 And, and, and because we'll be able to connect almost every wallet out there, if you're a developer and you are looking... 1:15:07 You know, most developers on the XRP Ledger have to make a very important decision, and that is: Which wallet do we support, right? 1:15:17 And for the most part, they choose the Xaman wallet because it's got the documentation and it's the most popular, right? Yeah. 1:15:25 They wish they could use other wallets, but they're limited in their resources, their time, et cetera. They're, they just wanna get this to market, so they choose the Xaman wallet. Okay? Yeah. Great choice, right? 1:15:37 But I understand the pain of them wanting to incorporate other wallets, so we're doing all the work for them. 1:15:46 We're doing all this, uh, integration to more wallets, and once we get that done, through our, um, authentication, 1:15:55 people will be able to connect to their websites, their services, their dApps, whatever, using our identity provider with any wallet. 1:16:05 So you'll be able to go to, say, an XRPL-based game and it says, "Rather than connect your wallet," much like social connect where you can log into a website with Google, you'll be able to log into a website 1:16:23 through TextRP, right? Wow. Using our identity service, our social login. 1:16:29 And our social login includes many wallets, so you'll have a choice of whatever wallet to log in, and then takes you back to whatever service, whether it's TextRP or some third party. That's huge. That's huge. 1:16:44 So, uh, I've been hearing from Nasi that when you're on TextRP, you're going to be able to get paid to chat on TextRP essentially. 1:16:54 Would you mind walking me through how that works with the whole staking your text to get this type of payment or residual type of, uh, income, if that makes sense? Uh, yeah, sure. 1:17:07 Right now there is, uh, there is a way to passively earn our token TXT. So, um, and by the way, this is not a token that has no purpose other- Mm... than to hold, right? This actually has a utility. Mm-hmm. 1:17:24 Uh, within TextRP, whenever you wanna purchase, re-up your M credits, uh, you can use XRP to purchase them, or you can use TXT token to purchase them. 1:17:38 If you use the TXT token, you actually receive 10% bonus M credits. So we prefer you use the TXT token than XRP. Mm. 1:17:50 Um, and uh, by the way, uh, whenever you purchase M credits using the TXT token, we actually burn 50% of that token, uh, that revenue. We burn it out of circulation. Wow. Um, so... 1:18:07 And, and by the way, that was in place on day one when we released the token. So when we minted the token, it was ready to be used on TextRP. 1:18:17 So we built that infrastructure before the token on purpose because there was no way in hell that I, Will Moreno, doxxed and verified, was going to launch a token that had absolutely zero use, okay? Right. 1:18:31 That ain't my style. All right? Yeah. So I launched a token that you could use from day one to purchase M credits. Real utility. That's my promise, okay? So, um, so that's available right now. 1:18:43 Like, you wanna purchase your M credits, you can use TXT, you get 10% bonus M credits, we burn half of what comes in. 1:18:49 Um, so to earn TXT passively, we have a partnership with one of my, I think, the top, uh, NFT marketplace out there, because not only have they incorporated our chat communications into their platform, um, but also we host, uh, uh, our Opulence NFTs there, our launch packs. 1:19:13 Mm. They have a section called Opiofi where you can actually, uh, earn yield rewards. 1:19:20 So if you take the TXT token and you pair it up with XRP and you deposit it into a liquidity pool on the XRPL AMM- Mm-hmm... or automated market maker- Mm-hmm... um, you can use any tool to deposit. 1:19:37 You can use, uh, XP Market, you can use X, uh, X Magnetic or uh- or Magnetic... M- X Magnet- so many X's. Uh- Yeah... you could use Opulence X. Um- Yeah... 1:19:50 there's a few platforms out there that allow you to- to ind- you know, engage with the AMM so you can deposit, uh, into the pool. Uh, but if you deposit a TXT and XRP into that liquidity pool, 1:20:06 do not miss out on yield rewards. Right. Okay? You're doing yourself a disservice by just doing that alone. 1:20:13 If you are depositing into the pool, go to Opiofi at the Opulence X NFT marketplace because we have yield farming available there. 1:20:25 You can, uh, register your wallet, and you will earn daily TXT rewards on that. I believe... 1:20:32 I mean, last time I checked, that- that does fluctuate, but last time I checked it was something like 94% APY, so you're getting, uh, TXT. 1:20:40 You're basically yield farming TXT, which, uh, you're probably gonna wanna hold because it's... You know, we're- we're working on way more utilities, um, for this year for that token. Um- Right... 1:20:51 so that's one way where you can earn TX- uh, TXT right now, okay? That's huge. Right now- But you don't- That's- You don't need to message on the- on the app, right? Because- You don't need to message or anything. 1:21:00 You can just- Okay... do it just simply by staking your TXT in a liquidity pool. Okay, on Opulence. Okay. And then- and then go into Opulence, register your wallet. Mm-hmm. You'll earn TXT rewards daily automatic. 1:21:11 Um- That's huge. And then- The other, uh, way to earn TXT, uh, w- we're gonna be rolling out in two phases. So we do have... Uh, i- if you read our white paper... Um, and again, I ha- you know, we are... We are... 1:21:27 Our white paper is our Bible. Mm-hmm. I know a lot of projects will write a white paper and then forget they wrote one, right? They'll just go... Oh, they'll just jump into the next shiniest thing they see. Right. 1:21:38 Right, right. Uh, the next th- the next trend. Oh, that trend. Oh, AI's over here. Oh- Right. Right, right, right... oh, that. Oh, NFTs now. Oh, meme tokens are up. 1:21:45 You know, oh, you know, they just go to the next trend, right? Right. We- we s- w- we- we basically refer to the white paper on a daily basis. That is our compass, right? Are we aligning ourselves to the white paper? 1:22:00 Are the things we're building aligning themselves to the white paper? Right. Uh, so, um, in- in... You know, with respect to that, 1:22:10 uh, we'll be launching our, uh, our chat rewards, which basically, you know, as our white paper says... Got it right here actually [laughs] all right? Nice, nice. It's, it, it- I see it. It says white paper. 1:22:22 [laughs] It says right here, "Capturing the value of personal engagement- Mm... through tokenization on the XRPL." So what we're doing- Huge... is we're taking what's, uh, 1:22:35 what was originally a physics formula c- uh, for impulse. Um, and, uh, one thing... You know, my thesis, my personal thesis, is that impulse is also a human e- emotion, human activity, right? 1:22:48 And it can be closely correlated to the same formula when it comes to physics. Uh- Mm-hmm... and so we're using that, uh, impulse formula in kind of everything we do here and in the way that we reward chats. 1:23:03 Um, you'll be rewarded for, uh, for basically for engaging within Text RP. Uh, do we have that l- uh, live right now? No. 1:23:16 Uh, what we do have is the framework for it, and we are going to be rolling that out in phases. Um- Okay... 1:23:23 the first phase, which is actually gonna be rolling out if- if not this week, probably the next, but it's definitely no longer than a m- 30 days from now. Uh, we'll be rolling out a, uh, a faucet bot 1:23:36 that it's gonna be running wild on Text RP. Uh, you'll be able to invite this bot to any room, and you'll be able to just hit it up for some daily TXT rewards, right? 1:23:51 Um, so basically come to Text RP at least once a day. Uh, you know, engage with the bot, and you will receive TXT, uh, which will actually multiply if you happen to be a launch pack NFT holder. 1:24:09 Mm. So if you hold an NFT, you'll actually be multiplying your, uh, your- your- your amount that you're getting. Um- That's huge. So this is an incentive to mint your launch pack NFT. Yeah. Yeah. 1:24:22 So- so basically if you- if you have no launch packs, you're getting a base reward- Mm-hmm... daily. Um, uh, if, uh, if you happen... If you have one launch pack, you'll be getting... Basically, it's a 1.5 multiplier. 1:24:36 Right. And then anything after that is just whatever number of launch packs you hold. So if you hold five launch packs, you're... it's a 5X multiplier. Uh, if you hold... You know, so- That's huge... 1:24:46 um, and that's how that's gonna work. We're gonna roll out that bot just so we can get people rewarded right away for engagement, right? Because the- the actual engagement engine that you see on the white paper- Right... 1:24:58 is a little bit more complicated and, um, you know, it's a little bit more mathematical. Uh- Sure... and it- it, you know, it just- Takes a little bit more time to really put in place on our back end and have it run. 1:25:10 Uh, but it's definitely in the works. We've got the framework for it, and we've got it on our project board as something that's being actively worked on right now. 1:25:19 Um, but in the meantime, we'll be releasing that- that, uh, faucet bot just to start getting people rewarded for the, for engagement. 1:25:27 Uh, so you can look to see that live probably within, like I say, uh, no- no less, no more than 30 days from now. 1:25:33 Uh, in fact, we were just testing the bot today and, uh, I had to pause testing so I can have a little conversation with you. Sure. No, I really appreciate that, Will. Yeah, and I know we're kind of wrapping it up here. 1:25:45 We've been going for almost 90 minutes. Oh my gosh. Well, uh, yeah, but I just had a few more questions on TexRP and the future of TexRP, too. Because, you know, it sounds like... 1:25:58 Is this kind of the end all be all for you for, um, like, as a dev? Or- or is this, like, just another project that you're gonna put into your collection of, you know, things that you've done in your life? 1:26:11 Is there, like, another TexRP 2, like, or is this kind of the final phase of- of this chapter of your life, you know? Does that make sense? Yeah, it makes sense. Um- Okay. [laughs]... 1:26:21 it- it's just a l- a lot is in the works right now. Yeah And I'm just not sure how ready we are to announce. Mm. But we are taking a... Okay. [laughs] TexRP 1:26:35 is something that third party developers can build upon, all right? Mm. So the cool thing is, if I ever have another idea- Mm-hmm... right, it's not about, "Oh, cool, I'm gonna do this idea." 1:26:52 It's, "I have a cool idea. I can build it and deliver it on TexRP," because basically, TexRP allows a builder to create an application, and then that application engages with users. 1:27:10 Mm. So imagine, for example... And- and there's so many use cases, I can't think of them all, which is why we're releasing our API, our documentation, so that others can build. 1:27:22 Because, like, there's just so many ideas, we can't build them all. Um, there- there's, um... I mean, I'll- I'll just rapid fire them. Sure. 1:27:29 There's games, there's document signing, there's, uh, launch pads, uh, uh, you know, for- for NFT minting. 1:27:37 There's, uh, you know, somebody could create a widget that archives a co- you know, communications and- and- and- and, you know, stores them as a widget. Uh, as a, as an NFT, excuse me. 1:27:47 There's, uh, games that could be developed for TexRP that could adapt themselves as people join the room. Wow. Right? Mm-hmm. 1:27:56 So- so that's the level of engagement that your dapp, your app, your, whether it's a Web 2 service, whether it's a Web 3, right? It can... 1:28:06 What you're doing is you're delivering it on a platform that engages with the user via chat- Mm... and a visual interface, right? 1:28:15 So, um, you could imagine how much you can supercharge a game when that game is talking back with you, talking back to you, you know? That's huge. Or- or giving you s- live stats in the chat. 1:28:29 So you could imagine, for example, like, I don't know, uh, a chess game. Mm-hmm. Just right off the top of my head. Uh, a chess game that any... Like, by the way, um, this is just dropping alpha. 1:28:42 Any- any developer could just pick this up and do it before I do. Mm-hmm. 1:28:45 Uh, you know, go grab yourself a chess game from GitHub and, uh, modify it to work on TexRP so it'll like, for example, you know how whenever a person makes a move- Mm... that's recorded, right? 1:28:58 It's a, you know, uh, what are you, a bishop's pawn to, you know, rooks, you know, seven, knight, whatever. Uh, that can reflect in the chat, you know? So and so on, you know? 1:29:11 So there's just so many use cases that, like, I, I can't just sit here and start building them all. 1:29:17 Best I can do is create a framework in which other people with ideas can come in and- and- and just create cool things for- for TexRP. Basically cool apps that engage with the user. Mm. 1:29:28 And not only engage with the user, but engage with the user who happens to be a, an XRP wallet. 1:29:34 And so when you have that dimension, it- it just opens up so many other use cases when it comes to identity, payments, transactions, engagement, all rolled up into our API. That's huge. 1:29:50 Yeah, I don't know anything like that well, and I think what you have is very exciting, and something that more people need to be interested in as well. I- I don't feel like... 1:30:00 Like, it's not even that hard of a sell, like, to be honest. Even when we're talking about it in Spaces, we're talking about it even in person, talked to my mom about it. She was like, "Oh, that's cool." 1:30:10 I'm like, "But you need a Xaman wallet." And she's like, "What's that?" And I'm like, "Oh, right, we're not quite there yet." [laughs] We're almost there, Will. We're not... 1:30:18 Maybe by the end of the year we'll have a lot of normies just being onboarded to TexRP just because they want that private s- privacy- Absolutely... that layer. 1:30:26 They wanna communicate in a very, you know, safe and secure manner. You know, these things, I feel like, especially older generations, they- they want, they want that. They want that wallet. Yes. You know? Yeah. 1:30:38 And- and you know one thing, when you engage, when you're in the space with a crypto project- Mm-hmm... they're there for your money. Oh, yeah. Right? They want you to buy their token, right? Of course, or NFT. 1:30:50 [laughs] Here's what I love about TexRP. Look, you don't have to buy a token. You don't have to buy a launch pack, which is only 50 XRP on xsmart.art, or 55 XRP for the Opulence edition at the OpulenceX marketplace. 1:31:06 You don't have to purchase our TXT token- To use the TexRP app. We want you to use the TexRP app. We want you to experience what XRPL utility is 1:31:22 without the sale, without the pressure, without the FOMO. Oh, we need you to ape into this. No, you don't have to buy a coin. You don't have to buy a thing to, to, to use TexRP. Just come and use it, check it out. 1:31:35 Free wallet to wallet messaging, and I think you're gonna discover that we are... I mean, look, i- if, if you missed out on that iPhone 1 moment, 1:31:47 you're getting it again because with TexRP we're back again to that iPhone 1 moment- Mm... where you're seeing just what is possible and where it's gonna take us in the future. Yeah, for sure. No, I'm excited. 1:32:01 I, I'm really excited that you guys, you know, are, are doing, doing your thing, you know? You're following through and you're bringing this power to your communities, you know? This is really power. 1:32:13 Communication has all been about power, and having that powerful voice to connect with someone, resonate with them, and then respond back, you know? That, that's, that's basically just, just plain, simple communication. 1:32:28 That's all we want. That's what we want. That's what you're giving us, so- Yes, man... I love that. I love that. So anything else you wanted to share, um, about you or TexRP that you don't think you've covered yet well? 1:32:39 Anything else that you think we may have missed, just for our listeners that are, you know, watching or listening to us today? I'm just trying to rack my head. I feel like you covered most everything, you know? 1:32:50 I don't, I don't really think, you know, anything else has to be said. Well, I- But [laughs]... I, I just wanna- Right? I think I, I think I just wanna- Yeah... put some perspective on things. Please. Um- Sure, yeah. 1:33:01 Please do. Don't be a So- [laughs] Look, um, I'm not an Ivy Sc- Ivy League school graduate. Yeah. Um, there are some crypto projects that you see out there- Mm-hmm... 1:33:14 come out with, like, a team of people that they were there from college. This guy's from Yale. This guy's from Harvard. [laughs] They've got the most amazing algorithm that does- Right... this financial thing. 1:33:26 And- Mm-hmm... look, um, at the end of the day, uh, I was a, a non-commissioned officer in the Army. All right? Mm-hmm. That was all I was. I just, uh, made things happen. Mm. That was, uh, that was my job. 1:33:39 And, um, I don't speak very fancy-like. Uh, my, sometimes my English isn't very good-looking because I am not a native, uh, English speaker. Hmm. Um, I was, uh, originally from Puerto Rico, so- Oh, cool... 1:33:55 uh, but, uh, something I totally didn't even mention where I was from. But, uh, yeah, um, but, uh, you know, it... I'm, I'm just a regular guy who sees a, a situation that's kind of a mess- Mm... 1:34:08 uh, and thought to pick up a broom and clean things up a little bit, uh, and, and try to, you know, create a space where people can come and build, uh, and sort of filter out the, um, you know, the noise from what's real utility. 1:34:26 Yeah. No, I love that. I think if you can find something that is useful to others, that is huge, you know? And I, I've been, in my own life I've always been of that mindset of, "Hey, how can I be useful in this space? 1:34:41 How can I help people understand the jargon that these devs are throwing at us and distill it in a way that makes sense to the audience?" You know? How can I make people feel comfortable in a space? Yep. You know? 1:34:52 And it's just, like, these little things, these little details, they just stack up over time. 1:34:57 And you'll find, especially when you're talking to people or communicating your intention to one another, you know, it's, it's this way of giving back, you know? 1:35:09 It's this way of giving back, and it's, it's this giving that really resonates with me in what you're doing well and with TexRP. 1:35:17 I feel like it's a way that you're giving back a problem that you tried to solve in your own life, and you're like, "Hey, maybe this is a problem that other people have as well," and you want them to understand how easy it is, right, through TexRP. 1:35:33 It's very easy. It's, it's literally free as long as you have a Xaman wallet to come through and to communicate and to build. And we need more builders, you know? This platform is meant for builders. Mm-hmm. 1:35:46 And I think at the end of the day we're all builders, and if we have this builder mindset, right, this, like, long game, not the short game, in crypto we can see a lot more people with conviction. You know? 1:35:59 We can see a lot more communities actually working together and not, you know, disperse or get fragmented or get rugged or get, you know, stolen, hacked, scammed, whatever you wanna call it, you know? 1:36:11 So it's, um, it's really- Just-... refreshing to see you build something for others in a way that you're giving something of yourself in a way, right? And, and I think that's huge. That's magical. 1:36:23 It's something that I don't see every day, and that's something that resonated with me in what you're building with TexRP and what Nasi has told me throughout the last just month, maybe almost month and a half of knowing TexRP. 1:36:36 Like, seriously, I'm, I'm still very new to the project compared to you guys, so it's like I, you know, I understand it a lot more now. 1:36:43 And through, you know, just staying, being consistent, chatting through it every day, you know, I'm bringing more people into my room. I'm growing that, and I'm giving what you're giving back to my community. See? 1:36:56 You see how that works? And I love that. You know? It's kind of this chain effect, and eventually TexRP is going to become so huge and so big and you'll be like, "Yep, it's just we made it." You know? Like, it's just 1:37:09 we, we have s- all these users. We've gotten... We've scaled, basically, right? That that's what they tell us. We've scaled to this number where it's like- You know, we just, we made it. Yeah, yeah. 1:37:20 [laughs] Um, I, uh, I think with the- [laughs] You know, when, when we look at... You, you gotta put yourself in, in proportion here, right? Mm. So the XRPL space isn't the largest crypto space, but- True... 1:37:32 you know, to have on boarded- [laughs] To have onboarded over 5,000 wallets, uh- That's huge... that speaks a lot. That's huge. 1:37:40 Um, to have been, uh, you know, selected, uh, uh, winner, second place winners in The Ripple Hackathon- Mm-hmm... and first place winners at the XRPL- Huge... 1:37:49 Las Vegas, uh, Shark Tank, uh, competition, that speaks a lot as well. Uh, you know, we were up against some really big projects that were, you know, had some very impressive ideas. Nice. 1:38:02 Uh, so I think that, uh, what we've got is something that is, uh, is just the beginning of bigger things. You know, uh, like I say, we're showing the world what we can do- Mm... 1:38:13 when you combine communications with blockchain. Right. So we're show- You know, this TextRP to XRPL community is showing the world what real utility can look like. Yes, I see it. I, I see it. 1:38:28 And, and it's gonna be not even a crypto thing, right? It'll just be an anything thing. A communication platform for- Exactly... anyone to use. And, yeah- Exactly. And we're trying to... 1:38:38 And, and, and at the end of the day we're, you know, we're looking towards to a point where w- w- where you're not even aware you're doing crypto, you know? For example, if you're... Imagine not... 1:38:51 You don't have to imagine too hard because we're so close. We're so close. [laughs] But imagine we're having a chat- Yeah... on TextRP- Yeah... 1:38:58 and we need to sign a document, you know, uh, and I send you a document to sign, and you sign it, and I get it. Great, it's signed. You don't even have to know that all that was done on the blockchain. No. 1:39:11 But that's cool. [laughs] Yes. [laughs] That's cool. That's amazing. So, yeah, that's, uh, that's where we're trying to, uh, get to. Um- Love it... 1:39:20 but of course in our, in this iPhone one moment, uh, you get what you are seeing, which is impressive as it is- It is... 1:39:27 uh, you can just, you know, squint your eyes a little bit and just see, oh, my gosh, this thing's gonna be so much better. It's going to be, for sure. For sure. Yeah. 1:39:35 As you, a- as you start rolling out certain updates- Yep... and yeah. But this is just the beginning. This is just the beginning, Will. So thank you so much for your time again. 1:39:44 Thank- Is there anything else you wanted to add, or are you good? Sorry, I didn't wanna cut you off. [laughs] Oh, no. You, you, you guys are on the ground floor. Okay, awesome. If you want to, you know- Yeah... 1:39:51 support TextRP via, uh, purchasing a launch pack NFT, uh, you're welcome to also purchase some of the, uh, TXT tokens that can be used for purchasing, uh, M credits. 1:40:03 And if you don't wanna support us in any way by purchasing anything, that's fine too. You can support us by simply just using the app, because you'll be, um, engaging with real blockchain utility right now. 1:40:20 Not something, you know, to look forward to in the future. So even if you don't wanna support us, you can still use us. Awesome. And I think we'll just end with that. Thank you again, Will, for an amazing interview. 1:40:32 I learned so much about TextRP and your life, and just coming into crypto, and then your background in communications in the Army. That's huge. That's really incredible. 1:40:41 So I really appreciate your time, and I thank you so much for this amazing, amazing interview. Thank you very much. I appreciate it. It's been a pleasure.
