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Image. 1:19 The framework of the dreamer. I love it. I love it, Dream Cat. So how do you wanna be, uh, referred to? Zach? Dream Cat? As we continue this journey. I got three little names I use online. Dream Cat, The Genie, Zach. 1:32 [laughs] Whatever you want. You can call me bro, dude, whatever- Bro, dude... comes off the tongue, man. I'm just... I love a good conversation. Aw. 1:39 I love to, you know, talk about Web3, the future, dreams, and like I said, our last conversation we had on X, dude, I was like, okay, I know- You're-... this is gonna be good- You're a bro... 1:49 because you're different up here. This guy. Yeah. I am different. Dude, everyone's different. What are you talking about? [laughs] No, but next level, man. You're, you're, uh- Aw, dude... you're aware. 2:00 You're- I'm trying... deeper thinker. You're... What, what would I even call it? Like, a stoic maybe? Stoic? Ooh. Yeah. I don't know about that. Stoicism. 2:08 Yeah, I know some, a little bit about that, but you know, today's podcast is about you, fam. It's about your journey. You can ask me questions too. That's fine. I don't mind, you know, having a, a healthy discourse. 2:19 I think that's definitely natural as the conversation levels up, right? As we continue diving deeper into, uh, what we're gonna talk about, which is mostly about your new beginnings, right? 2:29 Your spiritual awakening, 111, right? So, uh, I'd love to- Mm... 2:33 get just a quick synopsis of just, like, who Zach is before Dream Cat, I guess, and then slowly kinda work, work back connecting the dots until we're basically, like, right here for today. So just take it away, fam. 2:46 You have, you have the space. Cool. I appreciate you being here as well, so thank you. Yeah, no, lo- love to be here. An honor. I'm very grateful. Aw. Thanks for having me. Yeah. Thank you. 2:55 Um, so yeah, the, the beginning, I mean, yeah, today, people may just know if they met me from Web3, oh, Zach, you know, he, he started up Dream Cat. 3:04 He seems like, kinda like a motivated guy, and he's really passionate about dreams, right? He, he, he tells us all the time he loves to chase dreams. He's a big dreamer, and that's kinda what people know. 3:14 Um, and it's not too far away from who I've been- Mm... because I've kinda been this way since a kid, just it had to find a way to its, express itself. So, um, my ambition pretty much comes from lack, right? 3:30 So, like, I grew up single mom, uh, you know, the low income housing, food stamps, blah, blah, blah. No one really cares. Mm. We've all had hard stuff in our life, and it's no excuse. Yeah. But for me, 3:41 I was in a perfect environment where I was in a decent town but in a different situation, so I saw the kids around me going on vacation. The kids around me had the Jordans that I wanted to wear, right? 3:53 And it was painful not to have them, and so I had this eye for, how can I earn money? How can I just make money? 4:01 And I think my first sale I ever made, I went on to do sales in, uh, college, but the first sale I ever made in second grade was I brought in some of my Pokemon cards. Ah. I was a bi- I was a big Pokemon guy. So- No way. 4:14 No. Are you still... Real quick, are you still a big Pokemon guy? Do you still collect the cards, or? I still don't collect them. Okay. I'm getting rid of my last two graded PSA 10 Charizards, and then I'm totally out. 4:25 So- Really? So yeah. Yeah, I know. Oh, I know so many guys that are so into them now, and they're- I know... reselling them. Okay, okay. All right, continue, continue. It's, it's, it's cool that it's cool though. Yeah. 4:33 I love that, like, adulting is including some, like, childhood passions 'cause that's fun. Totally. Totally. It's gotta be fun. You gotta keep- Yeah... living the dream, right? [laughs] And, and money too. 4:43 I mean, good money. Crazy money there, so. Oh, I know. I know. Anyway, continue. [laughs] Yeah. Continue. So, um, I brought these in to, like, second grade- Okay. Yeah... 4:50 and, uh, there was this guy named Andrew, and he really wanted them. And yeah, I sold him, like, $200 of Pokemon cards in second grade, and I came home to my mom and said, "Mom, look." 5:01 And she's like, "Where did you get this money? Did you steal this money?" I was like, "No, Mom, I, I sold some Pokemon cards." And I sold him some more and, and whatever. That was just the beginning, right? 5:10 And I did- Mm... lemonade stand and, uh, flips, and I had no mentorship. I didn't know what to do, and as time went on, I basically just started realizing the current world makeup doesn't match with my dream reality. 5:24 Yeah. So that was at different points. As a kid, then I got to eighth grade, and we take that assessment test, right? And it says, "What do you wanna be when you grow up?" Uh, where's astronaut? Where's NBA player? 5:34 This just ain't gonna work for me, fam. [laughs] I, I don't wanna just be business guy, plumber. Mm-hmm. Like, I don't like these options. I, I- Mm... this is all there is? Yeah. And so something just clicked with me. 5:46 This, this can't be all there is. And then it was, it took me a while longer. I think it was, uh, I went to community college. Mm. So it was probably, like, I don't know, maybe 5:55 19, 20, and then somewhere in that first year I just came home and I said, "You know what? Like, I- I'm just, I'm just gonna like do stuff online. Like, and I literally Googled how to make money online. Yes. 6:06 And from there, dude, that, that was literally the start. Like- Wow... and it started with doing 50 cent and $1 inbox, uh, um, like, uh, surveys. Literally, bro. Surveys for a buck. Wow. 6:21 That's what happens when you don't have a guide and, and, you know- Yeah... long story short, came into books, came into- Mm-hmm... personal development. I started reading, you know, Rich Dad Poor Dad- Love that... 6:31 The Secret- Love that... Think and Grow Rich. Yes. I, I got a boss- Read all those books... who was all into it, and it- Yeah... stack, stack, stack, stack, stack, and you know, so on and so on. 6:39 And yeah, I mean, did, did sales. Um, I've chased many dreams we could talk about, but I just wanted to give more of the, the beginning story and not do a 40-minute my whole life story in the beginning, you know? 6:52 But just a little background- Right... for people. Yeah, just a background. Yeah, I think that's really important. I wanna go back to like before chasing the money because I feel like you had a bigger dream or your... 7:00 Like, what was your desire when you were like 13, 14? You know, growing up- Mm... 7:04 kind of that adolescent year, I feel like a lot of people, they know what they wanna do with the rest of their life, but they're just not sure how to monetize it, right? Mm. Essentially. 7:15 So it's like back when you were a kid, like what did you always dream of doing? Uh- Did you dream of becoming a sales guy or like- No... marketing? Okay, I didn't think so. No. 7:23 [laughs] Like I said, I say, I say astronaut and NBA. Yeah. I never wanted to go to as- uh, be an astronaut, but my dream was to go to the NBA. So- Ah, okay... 7:31 um, basketball, I got like a big, I got a big basketball tattoo up here, so my- Okay... my one and only tattoo. Basketball was a whole decade of my life. Okay. Deepest, deepest passion. Hmm. It's... 7:43 I, I exchanged it for entrepreneurship. There was a point where I made a trade-off- Yeah... um, because I had a, a crazy life event that changed my life. Hmm. 7:51 And that's where destiny, life, whatever you wanna say- Life... higher self, God, universe said, "You're doing well, but you're just not getting it. 8:01 We need to correct you to your, your course because you're clearly not going to the NBA now, no offense," [laughs] right? But- Because you weren't tall enough in white or what? [laughs] I'm just kidding. 8:11 Oh, you know, I'm like, uh, eventually I came along, you know, like, you know I'm white and I never hit the gym as much as I needed to, but- Oh, see, y- that's where the discipline kinda comes into play- Yeah... 8:21 and from your dream to reality. No, no, I got you. I got you though, fam. Totally. Yeah. Love basketball, still do, but I don't play anymore. Yeah. I traded that for- Okay... 8:29 uh, for, um- For entrepreneurship you said, right? Yes. Yeah. Entrepreneurship. 8:31 So with entrepreneurship, tell me about, okay, so you're educating yourself with all these books, you know, trying to get well acquainted of like what does it mean to be an entrepreneur and how do I make money from this essentially, right? 8:44 That was kind of your trajectory as you were going- Yeah... through community college. So how did you... Te- tell me a little more about that. Well, again, a lot of it comes from ideology. 8:53 So obviously you wanna help people out there who are listening too, right? If you're someone- Right... I was in the position where I'm like, "I don't wanna work a regular job. I wanna do what I love- [laughs] Yeah... 9:04 and I wanna make money without maybe limits," right? I don't wanna just make 20 bucks an hour. Hmm. I wanna have the ability to make more. And kudos to you because you're on that journey right now. Yes, I am. 9:14 And I'm stepping that journey even at a new level right now- Hmm... um, with, with building online and, and Web3. So, um, all I know is I felt that. Hmm. That is what was driving me is like, mm-mm. And so, 9:28 uh, the, you, you're saying what is the idea of entrepreneurship? Yeah, that's pretty much what fuels it is usually if you have that, that yearning, and also if you wanna be your own boss, that's not for everybody. Sure. 9:40 People should know, if you wanna be your own boss, it doesn't mean you get to take off whenever you want. It actually means you probably work more than you did with a 9:00 to 5:00. So know that. Right. 9:51 But as an entrepreneur, as a dreamer, you envision the long term. 9:56 You say, "Man, 10 years from now, 20 years from now, everyone's gonna be burnt out, and then I'm gonna be living the dream and have systems and autopilot money," right? And so that was what's driving me. 10:08 And, uh, yeah, fam, I just, first busine- like real business was a, a hat business. Oh. So it was reselling hats. I did wholesale hats. Okay. Interesting. And I was really good with keywords and marketing. 10:20 So I would- Hmm... on eBay, and I'd take this $6 hat, $6.25 was my cost, and I would sell them for 50 or 100 bucks. And I was saying, "Hey, hey Grandpa. Look what I got going on over here, Grandpa." Got a hat. 10:32 [laughs] And that's how I bought my first car, um, in college. Aha. My first, my first real car that wasn't given to me. I, I used to have a- Yeah... a clunker Chevy Cavalier, but then I bought a, a Mitsubishi Eclipse. 10:43 Uh- Ooh, fancy. Yeah. Yeah. It was, it looked so sporty and cool, but, um- Right? Yeah. So, so yeah. That's awesome. You know? Part, part of the journey. And, uh- Yeah... for me, I just, I'm, I'm unhirable, right? 10:56 I, I, I'm sure I could serve a lot of companies, but I just- Sure. You and me both... it's not for me, dude. [laughs] No. [laughs] If you just know, you know. [laughs] No, for sure. 11:07 And I love what you were saying about entrepreneurship. You are your own boss. Essentially you are working more hours than, uh, the traditional 9:00 to 5:00. 11:15 But the thing is you're working for some- you're working for yourself. 11:19 You're working to build something for yourself that not only you will benefit, but the others around you that are part of your community benefit as well, right? The value rises all boats, so to speak, right? 11:31 So tell me something... Okay, okay. Tell me, how did you get into crypto? All right. I love asking this question. Um, I think a lot of people obviously get in crypto because they want to make money, obviously. Yes. 11:42 A lot of people do not make that money, but then they fall into community, right? And then they kinda get stuck in crypto- [laughs]... because they're like, "Oh man, I'm lonely. I need friends," you know? 11:51 And I'm like, I like these, this consistency. People are always doing these spaces, you know? So talk to me more about, I guess, how you fell into crypto and, um, and then yeah, yeah, basically we'll start there. 12:02 [laughs] Awesome. Yeah. So I've definitely noticed what you said there is there are a lot of archetypes in Web3. Hmm. And a huge chunk of them is the community lonely factor, right? Yes. Like, I wanna make more friends. 12:14 It's like a secret therapy, right? Because you're, you're talking to people online who don't know who you are- [laughs] Yeah... because the PFP, so you can say all your crazy stuff if you want. [laughs]Right? Right. 12:25 So I've definitely noticed that one. Right. For me, it was definitely, uh, money- Mm... but I attracted it. 12:31 I actually attracted it to me, and this is a little law of attraction for people out there, and I'll tell you a really good story twofold. And the first bit of it is when I found crypto, I was in my, a rock bottom. 12:43 Perfect timing. I had- Oh, yeah... I was on the highest high of my life a year before, crushing it, speaking on stage, you know, making a lot of money- Wow... 12:53 interviewing, uh, bringing big-time influencers like a- Grant Cardone. Oh, wow. I got him in our office. Andy Frisella, I got him on our, on our boss's podcast. Like- Wow... Jack Canfield. All these people. 13:04 I was, I was on a high, bro. I was winning, and then I lost everything. I had to resign from my job. I had health problems. I spent every dime I had on health insurance. Went in debt $10,000. Oh, man. 13:14 Moved back home to my mom's house, sleeping on a- Wow... air mattress on the freaking floor. When was this? What year? 2020. Okay, so COVID. Yeah, not... This was, this was the COVID era, man. The COVID. Oh. 13:26 Right before COVID, this happened. Damn. And COVID just made it worse, so- Right. Wow... just know, guys, we're not too far along, okay? And this is what's encouraging to me- Yeah... is, is I was so lost then. 13:36 Anxiety, panic attacks- Mm. Bro, I just fell off completely. Yeah. I had a, a head issue. And- Oh my gosh... um, I say all that to say I started climbing back, trying to build my mindset. Oh. 13:47 And once I started getting on the upper hand, I just... I still had this, like, little bit of greatness mentality, right? And I just wanna flirt with it, and I s- I, my tweets. I was tweeting. Twitter, Web3. 13:57 I was tweeting, and I was projecting the bright future. 13:59 I started getting back into my positive line of thoughts, and a friend of mine saw my tweets, and he's like, "Bro, dude, uh, we just had the COVID crash, basically." Mm. "You gotta buy some XRP." Like, uh, you know what? 14:12 He's like, "Let me tell you my story." And we reconnected, an old friend, and he told me he used to work at T-Mobile- Okay... as a phone salesman. And he said, "Dude, to be honest with you, I was depressed. 14:22 I, I was suicidal. I was 30K in debt, and crypto changed my life." Mm. And he's a crypto millionaire now, my buddy. Wow. It... His name's actually Kevin Cage. He's got a, a big YouTube channel. Ah. Yeah. He's a YouTuber. 14:35 Okay. Yeah. XRP, dude. He's an XRP guy. XRP. Yeah. See, this is why I hang around the XRPers. You know what [laughs] That... Dude, I'm gonna... I started in XRP. As an XRP, uh- There you go. Wow... 14:45 maxi, so first, first project I ever bought was XRP. Okay. And my buddy said, "Dude, I'm just gonna, like... You're, like, you're my boy." We, we kinda disconnected. Yeah. But he's like, "You, you are, um... 14:56 We're just gonna, like... I'm just gonna, like, help you make money." Mm. Like, "We're navigating this bull. Prices are so low." And I bought XRP. It went up. I had a bag. And from there, um, I started... 15:07 I mean, dude, I went from zero to, like, six figures in that cycle. Wow. I bought Safe Moon on day three, the first meme coin I ever bought. Oh, boy. Yeah. Like, luck- I heard about Safe Moon... came along the way. 15:18 [laughs] Bought an NFT that blew up. Wow. So, um, that much- Right time at the right place... r- right timing, right place, but there's one other piece to that. Mm. 15:27 And so I mention all the bad, and I did get introduced to, to XRP, and I started changing my mindset. Yeah. But somewhere along the way, we came into a new year. Yeah. 15:35 I don't know if it was 2021, but I remember it being Christmas. Yeah. And I said, "I'm gonna bounce back." And I, and I got, like, a- [laughs]... 15:42 maybe like a Tai Lopez course, a credit card course, and I set an intention. I said, "This year, my biggest goal is to make..." I don't even remember the dollars. 15:51 I'd be lying if I said, but I said, "I, I wanna make a lot of money." Sure. I think I, maybe I said six figures. Sure. That was my goal. That was my intention. 15:59 My number one arching goal was, "This year, I'm gonna make money." Mm. And I tell people that's the year I made the most money I, I had made thus far- Wow... in that journey, right? Was that year. Yeah. 16:08 And so it was really manifested forward. I was looking for it- Mm-hmm... and I found it. Nice. And that's what I tell people. 16:16 It was almost like a decision and a, and a state of energy that brought all the situations to me. Wow. How did you do that exactly? Tell me, how did you manifest? 16:26 How did you let this law of attraction pull you to make that much money in that, that year, um, exactly? Yeah, so it's, it's actually really simple. 16:35 Um, so peop- if, if you read up on it and you wanna ma- manifest anything, the f- first most important thing is, one, you need to decide, right? Mm. 16:43 You need to decide and say, "This is what I want," and it needs to be a narrow aim. So if you have 30... It's okay to have lots of goals in a year, but if you- Yeah. 16:56 It's all about energy, so you wanna point your energy and your focus into a chief aim. Mm. One goal can lead to the next, but you wanna focus it on one thing- Mm-hmm... 17:05 that you wanna put your energy into, and so I chose money, right? Mm-hmm. I had a chief aim, and from there, I flirted with money. Oh. I flirted with people who have money. I flirted with- Sure... 17:18 different podcasts that did a lot of brainwashing. That's how I got myself back. Mm. So I'd listen to audios just three hours a day. Okay. You know, you, you, you can do it. 17:27 Uh, even some rah-rah positivity stuff like, um, even some faith-based stuff I was listening to, um, at the time. Interesting. 17:35 Like, "God brought you down so you can rise up," and, you know, "Your setbacks are your setups." And, and I just really got in that state. Yeah. 17:43 And then, of course, it's not magic, so you have to align yourself with a vehicle. Identify a vehicle, or sometimes you attract the vehicle. 17:52 So I attracted crypto, but another thing I was doing at the time, during that time, is I was, uh, flipping is something I knew, right? I knew how to flip things online. 18:01 So I joined a, a flip group for, like, 20 bucks a month, a Discord group- Nice... that says, you know, "Hey, here's a PS5 dropping. Click it instantly and you'll get one." I got PS5s when no one could get them. Oh. 18:14 Sold those for good profit. So you were flipping them. Okay. Yeah. Smart, smart. And that's actually- I've heard of that... 18:20 how, even though I had my buddy, Kevin, who was telling me alt coins and all that stuff- Right... that's how I found Safe Moon. They posted it in that group. Oh. And I paid... It was the first crypto. 18:31 It was, it was luck. It was luck. Right. Because I'd never bought a meme coin. I didn't know that most all have a huge potential and go to zero. I didn't know that yet. I was, I was arrogant. But- Sure... 18:42 it was the first crypto post they made in that group, and he said, "Hey, I think this is gonna be big," and I bought it, and I remember sharing my screenshot saying, "Man," I put in 18:51 340 bucks, I think, just on a whim, and I, my bag got to, like, 60K at the, uh, at the top of it. I think I sold it for, like, 35 or something like that. That's amazing. First meme coin. Woo. 19:07 That's ama- I've heard a lot about Safe Moon. Unfortunately, I- Yeah... I missed that one, unfortunately. Good and bad. But, yeah. Yeah, no. Good and bad. I think the guy just went to jail. Wow. Yeah. 19:17 After all this time, he, uh, the main leader, they were, they were funneling money- [laughs]... and buying houses and cars, but hey, I mean- Of course. Of course. Hey, it was good while it lasted, right? 19:26 It was good while it lasted. Yeah. [laughs] Thank you, Safe Moon. [laughs] And that's the power of getting in early too, right? Say, say you're at the- You either gotta get in or... Okay, meme coiners, okay? 19:36 You either gotta- Right... get in early- Mm... or you have to find a trend-like opportunity that's undervalued. Mm. That already gave you proof, right? Like, an example here might be Popcat. 19:49 Popcat went to two billion market cap. Wow. It's at 50 million market cap. I still think it's gonna be the biggest cat coin there is. I think so. And, and battle dogs and, and Doge. Mm-hmm. 19:58 So that's, that is another opportunity. But the third is believing in something. Mm. And that will align, that's with, like, Dream Cat, right? Like, our all-time high is 735,000. 20:09 The current market cap's 50,000, but we're two years old, and we've never started because we're building, what we're building here, this is, like, a decade plus mission, and it's not just about meme coin success. 20:21 It's not just about building and, and, uh, like motivating and inspiring dreamers. There's a bigger real world entrepreneurship mission on the back end of Dream Cat. It's a bigger purpose. 20:32 So that, we project that, we say that, and that's our little feeler of if you can do your research, if you can... We leave clues all over the place. 20:41 If you go figure everything out and you look at it, then if you choose to believe, then you earn what you earn because you believe in something. 20:49 So those are the three ways that I see, and, and this is how I love to invest. I invest things that people don't believe in. 20:55 I love to believe in things, find undervalued, uh, things, and meme coins is so great to do this because 90% of the investors only use the chart, right? It's, it's- Mm... 21:06 what's pumping, what's hot, what's the ticker, and the quick rotations makes an opportunity for this because most people think meme coins are one and done. Yeah. 21:16 But I am the believer of, maybe this didn't work out for NFTs, but I'm looking at what meme coins can last a decade because I'm gonna get ahead. I, I didn't get XRP at 0.0001 cents. 21:30 You know, I got it at 12 cents, which was good. But, um, I wanna say, what's, what meme coins are gonna last a decade, right? Is it SPX 6900? Is it Popcat? Is it MOG? Is it Dream Cat? Is it, it... Well, what could it be? 21:43 What could it be? And so this is what I look at, and this is how I'm investing now, with a longterm mindset for, for most of my, uh, meme bags, actually. For, for about half. I love that. 21:51 So talk to me more about meme coins and talk to me more about the meme coin that you created, Dream Cat, and why it's so special to you. Oh, yeah. Well, meme coins, the whole... Listen, man. [laughs] Listen, dude. 22:04 I mean- I'm listening. [laughs] Okay. Uh, you said a little bit of Reverse. Give me a little take first on, uh- Sure... I just wanna hear, 'cause I don't know your full stance on meme coins. 22:11 Give me your stance real quick so I can understand where you're, where you're at with these. Yeah, totally. Tot- yeah. So I absolutely love meme coins. 22:18 I think they're a great way to foster community, cultivate it, cultivate it, and really get people excited about crypto, right? So I, I'm pretty po- positive on meme coins. 22:29 I know a lot of people don't like meme coins, especially currently. I think one of the biggest meme coins to date, and you know this, is Doge, obviously. Yeah. That is the OG of meme coins. 22:38 And so Doge has really set the tone for a lot of these meme coins. So I'm a big believer in meme coins. Always have been. 22:46 Um, I think the first, one of the biggest community meme coins I really supported at the beginning, even before the bonding curve, was coins from the Digi Joint community. Oh, sweet. 22:56 So their meme coin- I, I know Digi too, by the way. Yes. Yeah, I met him. Yes. He was, he was a big mentor of mine in trying to understand meme coins and the power of community around these meme coins. 23:05 So I, yeah, I bought into his chart, and I've been supporting coins ever since, and I've had NFTs. Actually, he sent me some. 23:12 I bought some as well while I've staked, and I've generated coins as their meme coins and, and I've always been a supporter of meme coins. So yeah, that's kinda where I stand with the whole meme coin journey. 23:22 But anyway, does that an- kinda answer your question? [laughs] Well, I, I just wanna know a little bit more, you know? Yeah. 23:27 We got to chat a bit, but I like to hear, you know, uh, what if, what if, what if you think, like, "Oh, man, secretly meme coins suck, and I just wanna talk about Web3," and then I'm like, "Meme coins are potential." 23:38 They, they have a place, obviously. Yeah. Yeah. 23:40 They have a place, and I, I just wanna hear more about, I, I guess, like, why you ended up starting your meme coin token, Dream Cat, and what you hope to achieve with it, you know? 23:50 And then I guess your stance on meme coins in general. Yeah, so I guess, sure. Let's start with, um, we'll start with Dream Cat. Sure. 23:56 So there's a couple missions, like, let's say the, the first basic one that everyone can get behind is the largest community of dreamers in the world, right? Mm. Now, I don't stutter when I say that. 24:07 I don't flinch because I'm a delusional optimist, but I'm- Love it. [laughs] I say that, but I say that alongside, like, that is a realistic goal. Yeah. 24:16 Like, I, I don't know how to temper other people's expectations when they hear that. All I can say is what's inside, and that's what's most important, right? Yeah. Your belief system. 24:26 So through my life and other things, I've proven what's possible many times. It's all, a lot of the things I decided, remember I said you gotta decide, those things came true already. Yeah. I've had the proof. 24:38 So I saw an opportunity, and I said, "Man- I see what, what Digi sees. Meme coins are a great community cultivation vehicle Mm A, they're misused. "Oh, let's buy butthole coin. Let's buy Hitler coin." 24:53 [laughs] Like, right? It's like damn, that's, that- Speak something a little more positive here, guys. Come on. Yeah. Let's go. [laughs] D gen, everyone says F you, F this- I know. I know... 25:03 and, and everything's, um, a scam- Mm... and there's a lot of negative players- I've heard... there's zero regulation. Right. Wild West, yeah. All these things is why meme coins get slander. Mm. 25:13 It's also why there's the greatest opportunity to do the opposite. Right. Another principle of success, wherever the masses are going, you capitalize, but you go in the opposite direction. 25:25 So the masses want quick, easy, short-term, hype, and I say, "Okay, we're gonna be an early mover. We are gonna plant our flag. We are gonna claim the golden ticker dream," because dreams is in movies, game shows- Mm... 25:40 motivational speeches, cartoons, Disney movies. Everyone on Earth has a dream. Everyone is in crypto to get money, which, what does that tie into? Mm. Your dream coming true, because you want something. 25:51 It's universally adoptable, and once it hits mainstream, I think that will become evident with, with the, um, push. But what I see is I actually see a vision where people who 26:04 have good intentions can use the power of meme coins as sort of like a promotion tool, right? So imagine let's just say 26:12 you have, I don't know, you're a, you're a influencer, you're MrBeast, or you have a book that you're coming out. You know how it goes. 26:18 Marketing is, can be a challenge, or, you know, you're building a brand, whatever, and you say, "Hey, guys, you know, uh, please share my book cover out there and I'll give you, you know, I don't know, I'll do a giveaway for 50 bucks. 26:31 Like, retweet my book, share my book." Okay, that's one thing, but what if your product was directly tied to the meme coin in some way, or represented in that way? 26:41 But now people willingly want to share it because they own stock in it. They own stake. They have the chance to buy into the big dream- Mm... and directly benefit. And the, the cult-like 26:57 XRP community that I've seen, right? Think about XRP has the greatest marketing in the world. They have to. [laughs] Yes. They, they're crazy, and I'm one of them, you know? Yeah, same. Fucking love them. Me too. Me too. 27:07 It took me long enough. Honestly, my partner, like, m- both my part- my business partner, my, you know, like, all of them have been in- Yeah... XRP for so long. Mm. 27:16 And it took me this long to, like, figure out, okay, I should probably, you know, do an XRP community space. 27:22 You know, I should probably get a little, dig deeper a little bit about XRP and, and try to understand and learn. Because honestly, I didn't start on XRP. I think with a lot of people, I started on Bitcoin, right? Mm. 27:33 And then I moved to Ethereum, and then a- well, actually, technically I got started on CRO, on the Cronos chain. This was back in- Oh, wow... 2023, 2024. So technically bef- I guess after Ethereum was Cronos. 27:45 And then from CRO then I got a, you know, I started doing Solana stuff, and then eventually XRP came about three or four months, like, before this time, basically. Last year I started getting- Oh, wow... 27:56 into it more, but I feel the- You're, you're, you're fresh. You're fresh in the game. [laughs] I, you know, well, yeah, I don't know, man. 28:00 I just, like, I always saw it, but I just kinda just wrote it off because I didn't really know anyone until I met this XRPL artist, and she was telling me that she used to live off XRP and be a digital nomad. 28:12 Like, that was how- Wow... she basically traveled, was, like, through her XRP bags. And I was just- Good for her... dumbfounded by that, because I just was like, "I wanna do that," you know? And [laughs] Yeah. 28:25 The nomad life. Yeah, the nomad life. Well, technically- One of your dreams... I'm still, I'm still doing it in a lot of ways. 28:30 I'm gonna be, after Vegas here, I'm gonna be doing the nomad life in Colorado for the next few months, and, and DC. We can talk about that later. [laughs] Yeah. But yeah, I do, I do this every summer. 28:39 Yeah, I just- Cool... I can't, I can't spend time in Florida anymore. You know, when the summer hits, I gotta go. I gotta go up north. Oh, yeah. I gotta be free. I'm in Florida right now, actually. I'm in Florida myself. 28:49 That's right. You're out of Tampa though, right? I'm in Orlando. Orlando, that's right. Yeah. I knew you were close. I'm up in the panhandle by Panama City Beach- Yeah... in the city. I came for the heat. 28:58 I'm not gonna lie. I came for the heat. You... Oh. I mean, it was like 88 the other day, and I was like, "Oh, yeah, I forgot." It's, it's, it's pretty- It's hot... scorched when you're out and about, but- Yeah. 29:07 But it's like- I was in, uh, freezing cold, and I was just done with that over in Chicago. Really? So- Okay. Okay... I came for the heat... 29:12 because, like, I grew up here, so I've had to endure the hurricanes and the heat- Gotcha... and that's just something that I'm not about. 29:19 And I have family in Colorado, so if I can do the snowbird thing, you know, like every year spend winters in Florida, summers in Colorado up in the mountains training for marathons, you know, like- Yeah... 29:29 I'm good to go. You know? Like, that's- Gotcha... 29:31 kinda what I did last year, and if I can keep that perpetual cycle and just keep building, um, this podcast and basically, you know, just my personal brand, it's, it's gonna all, it's gonna add up. You know? 29:42 I'm like, "I'm gonna be able to do this and be sustainable at it," and that's something I wanna come back to about dreamers, right? Yeah. How do you have a sustainable dream, you know? 29:50 So it's like you have that initial dream. You go for it, right? And it's like, how do you keep it going? How do you keep being consistent, is my question to you. All right. Let's see. 30:02 I have my mind in two places at once. [laughs] Okay. Okay, sustainable. I was still thinking about the second question. I was still thinking about meme coin. Okay. Okay. I'm coming. Oh, sh- okay. Okay. 30:09 Well, we can tie this in with meme coins. Think about it, right? Because we want meme coins, or technically our meme coin projects, to be sustainable, right? We want that belief to be sustainable. 30:19 How do you, how do you get there? How do you get from A to B? How, like, besides the consistency part, obviously, and you're building- Yeah... but, like, how do you keep that frame of mind? 30:28 Because come on, let's be real. Not every day is gonna be a great day. You know? Yeah. And I mean- Like, it, it's hard, man. Like, I woke up this morning not wanting to go for a run, but you know what I did? 30:38 I finally got myself out the door. I ran my fricking eight miles for my marathon training, and I came back. I documented. I posted on X. 30:46 I took a shower real quick, I ate something, and I came here to talk to you Like, that's been my morning Sounds like you're winning. It, it, sometimes- Trying... 30:53 it's hard to get up, but once you get the body moving- Trying. Mm-hmm... once you are done, I bet you were, you felt satisfied that you did it, right? Did. Did. 30:59 Yeah, it was a reinforcement to your own mind, "Hey- I did... we did the work. We did what we said we were gonna do," and that builds more confidence. So good for you. Thank you. Yeah. I appreciate that. 31:09 It's so hard, but I just, I, I wanna impact that to others and inspire others that they can do the same, but it's so hard for them to show up for themselves, though, and to actually have that right mindset. 31:18 Because, you know, you can't... 31:20 Y- I'm gonna come back to this, what you said earlier of, like, becoming aware, and I think a lot of people, they don't have that awareness factor, or they think they do, but they really don't. 31:28 Because if they did, they know that discipline, the more discipline you have, the more freedom you have, too, right? And being an entrepreneur and showing up for yourself before you show up for others, that's self-care. 31:39 And so maybe applying that to what you were saying earlier of, like, how does one show up and continue that dream, right? How does one consistently show... 31:49 Like, how do you show up every day with this big dream and you're not at that market cap that you want to with your project? Like, w- what gets you up out of the morning? 31:57 Yeah, so, so okay, on what you said, discipline, right? Discipline's a magic word. Ooh. It's a very hard thing to do. It's a, it's an X factor that makes the difference. In order to have that, you need two things, okay? 32:09 One, you need a big why. You need a reason that is bigger than the pain. Mm. The pain is the second thing that determines discipline. 32:19 When you've been trying to chase a dream or get towards a goal and you keep failing yourself, "I'm gonna wake up early. I'm gonna lose 50 pounds this year." Oh, man, that was my goal in 2018, 2019, 2020. Wow. 32:28 Once the pain stacks and gets painful enough- Yeah... this is where change happens. When the hard things and the discipline supersedes the deep pain that you feel of failing- Mm... 32:41 this is enough, a deep enough why to create a shift and support the discipline, and this is really just a psychological thing. So for me, easy answer, bro. Um, I have a why that is huge enough to drive me. 32:55 The market cap of Dream Kat is irrelevant to me. I've made $0 on Dream. I've put lots of money in there. I p- I put $5,000 to start it off. I spent 700 bucks this week on trademark attorney, um- Wow... 33:09 270 bucks for stickers last night, new, new gift stickers, uh- Wow... 200 bucks to renew the hosting jur website. So for me, it's an expense today, but people don't understand what I understand. 33:21 I'm building my empire here in Web3, right? Right. I see the vehicle, so this is an investment to me because I'm, I'm building this for the long term, and I need this in order to make the big dream come true. 33:34 So if you wanna look at Dream Kat, what's, what's, uh, like, on that whole discipline what keeps you going front, the reason why I think it can be bullish for other people looking in is what I tell people is when you want something, that is a different level of desire and effort that you put in. 33:51 When you must have something in order to go to a place that you believe, like, it's just I, "I must go there," like, let's just say, um, this is an easy one. I'm in the... 34:03 I'm, I'm a single, I'm a single guy myself right now, okay? I'm, I'm in the field. Love it. Girls wanna get married and have kids so bad. They do. Okay? They do. But the guys, they, we're not ready yet, you know? 34:12 [laughs] No, because we have, we have more time, right? We can- That's true. Yeah. Uh, we don't have, uh- The clock is ticking... the, the egg clock isn't winding out on us, right? The egg. That's another thing. 34:20 That's, that's their thing. Shout out to girls. That's actually sucks. [laughs] It's tough. It's like- It's tough. I know a lotta girls like that. Yeah. Anyway, back to your point. 34:27 I see the 29, 30, 31 is like, "I wanna get married tomorrow and pop out kids." Yeah. 34:33 And that would be in a good example of it's not that they, like, at that point, what I'm seeing, it's not like that they hope or wanna get in a relationship. They're like, "No, I'm gonna find somebody [laughs] 34:45 as bad as that sounds, like, the desp- That's what I sense, some of the desperation. Like, "I'm gonna find someone, and I'm gonna get married," right? Like, that's what I see. Yeah. 34:52 So for me, um, and, and at least for my dreams, they aren't based on, "I want these things. I have to do things." And so when you pick a huge... This is how you achieve a good life, by the way. 35:03 Make a humongous dream, a humongous beyond-the-stars dream, and then on the pursuit of getting there, you stumble into some other people's dream. 35:14 So for example, this past December, I was blessed to go to Moscow, Russia; St. Petersburg, Russia; London. Wow. Uh, I went to Paris, France. I went to Cologne, Germany. I went to Vienna, Austria. 35:29 I got to see some of the best Christmas destinations in the world. Wow. That's some people's entire dream. Their entire dream would be to go to Paris for one, you know, summer. Wow. 35:39 And I did five of the best countries, and I got more to come this year. Japan, Tokyo. Wow. I'm going to Cali, uh, France again. Why? Wow. Why? Not here to, not here to brag, not here to say this. 35:49 I'm here to say that I had to do that in order to move forward in my big dream. Oh, yeah. I have inspiration. I wanna create something great. In order to be the best, I must see the best. 36:02 So in my mind, I made that goal four years ago to go to these places, and the timer was up against my back because I can't move forward on my dream until I do this. And guess what that caused? That caused urgency. 36:16 That caused a deep, like, like, it's a must. It's pressure. It's whatever. And I did it. But some people say, "Man, I hope and, man, I'll, I'll, maybe I'll go see London someday. That would be a dream." Maybe. 36:29 It's, it's a w- it's a want. It's a hope. Mm. It's a wish. You need a deeper why. And so the why behind Dream is my life's biggest dream. So Dream Kat is a piece of the puzzle. 36:42 This p- you see this setup, this podcast right here? I was gonna mention. Yeah, the whole Monopoly thing. Yeah. I'd love to hear more about that. I could tell you an amazing story on those signs. This is synchronicity. 36:52 We'll get into some of that stuff, okay? We will. We will. I told you we could talk for a long time. No, no, I told you, man. I got up to three hours, bro- I'm here for it... before my last meeting. Let's go. Let's go. 37:00 So I'm just, we're, we've only scratched the surface, only 38 minutes in. I agree. So, you know, might as well, you brought it up. Tell me about the Monopoly sign. How is that playing? 37:09 Well, let, let me tell you first on this that- Okay. Okay... I used to have a podcast on my vision wall back- Okay... in, like, 2019. I wanted to make one. I thought it was something I might do. 37:21 Never got around to it, didn't do it. Once we started Dream Cat, we started doing Spaces. And I said, "Man, we're dropping Alpha here. I don't wanna waste the Alpha. We should, like, repurpose this, right?" Right. 37:31 We're, we're doing it every week anyway. Right. And so I looked into it. I just did it because it made sense. It was in front of me. Yeah. 37:39 And the studio setup, getting a coach to give me the best lighting, the best quality, this is all for crypto. That's fire. But now I have this whole podcast- Yeah... 37:47 and I didn't even, like, care or, like, need it or want it. Mm-hmm. I just did it because I ne- uh, no, I, I did need it. I did it because I needed it. Not because I wanted it. It wasn't 'cause it was a goal. 37:59 And you know how fast it happened? Because it was in front of me. I mean, the podcast was created the day I decided. If you wanna make a podcast out there, I mean, we're speaking on one. Yeah. 38:08 You can get yourself on Spotify, you know, uh, Apple Podcast, iHeartRadio for free. Yep. It's that easy. That's insane. Yep. So all of this, I just wanna say, was a result of... It became so easy because it was nothing. 38:25 It was just a, a, a, a clip in the belt because it's part of the, the must to, to build dream and get to the next level and next level. So that, that really helped. But yeah, the signs. Yes. 38:36 I mean, man, that's another story, man. That is another story. Tell me. Tell me. We're here. We're here. I'm listening. All right. Let's get into synchronicity if we can. Okay. Okay, sure, sure, sure. 38:43 So if you guys don't know the backstory... By the way, I, I don't know how doxed you are. Do you use your name? I'm, um, I don't... No, I don't use my name. I, I go- Just call you Fam, then. Well, I, I used to go by Dew. 38:56 So Mountain Dew. D- You might have seen that reference. Okay. Just Dew the Dew. Okay. And so that was my OG crypto name before Crypto Fam Radio. I've had m- I've had many evolutions, Fam. 39:05 Uh- I can just call you Crypto Fam Radio. That's okay, too. Sure, sure. You can call me Fam. Okay. That's fine. I'm gonna call you Fam then. Okay. Sure. Sounds good. I'm just... 39:12 So, um, with these, if you guys don't know the backstory, we, we talked, uh, a week ago. We did a... You were doing a Space. You know, it got going. Saturday. It got hot. Saturday. Got a lot of people there. 39:22 It was awesome. Yeah, Saturday. And- People love it. [laughs] We touched on... Yeah, it was, it was awesome conversation. Mm-hmm. Awesome, uh, show. Mm-hmm. Thank you. 39:30 And we touched on a little bit of, uh, awakening stuff, a little bit of, uh, maybe it's, like, a little metaphysical, a little, you know, synchronicities, and that's a huge part of my life right now. Mm. 39:44 And this is a very, very interesting topic because to me, it, it combines with self-help and personal development, which is what I'm all about, right? Is it, it intersects. Now, about these signs. 39:56 Okay, let me tell you about these signs. And this is an incredible story. Uh, these signs popped up on Facebook Marketplace when I was... At the time, I was actually living in South Carolina, okay? Okay. 40:08 This was actually where I lived before Chicago. I lived in South Carolina last. I moved here about six months ago to Florida. Okay. Those signs popped up on Facebook Marketplace. 40:17 They were $500 for all four, which was a great deal. Wow. These signs are about 400 bucks each brand new. That's great. They're quality canvas, you know, um- Great signs, yeah... good size. 40:29 So I saw them and I wanted them. I replied right away. I'm like, "Oh, my gosh, I want these." And I made a mistake. I tried to get cheap. So I se- I was like, "Hey, would you take $450, whatever?" Yeah. 40:41 And I rubbed this chick the wrong way. Mm. And, like, she didn't reply. She left me on read. Oof. And then it was like, then I overthought it and I'm like, "Oh, man," like, "I'm s- I'm sorry." Yeah. 40:51 Like, "I'll look around and I'm sure I can find another 50 bucks somewhere." Like, I don't know why I cheaped out. I did. Dumb mistake. Yeah. And she wasn't replying to me. It... I don't know. She just shut me off. 41:01 I was like, "That sucks. I really wanted these." Wow. They were still online a month later. I called my friend. I was like, "Dude, these are still online." These signs... 41:08 By the way, when I first saw these signs, synchronicities, these are meant for me. This is what my mind told me. These signs, risk it or lose the chance. Mm-hmm. Time is money. All in on your dreams. Yeah. 41:19 Build an empire. Yeah. I have two more in my room that says chase the dream or, uh, c- pass go, collect your dream. It's pass and go on the Monopoly board. Gotcha. Sure, sure. But the sixth one- Okay... 41:33 is cartoon characters that says billion-dollar empires. Mm. And it has Mr. Burns, it has Donald Duck, the, the McDuck, uh, you know, rich guy. There's one other on there, and that's how I see Dream Cat. Mm-hmm. 41:48 And I always said... I used to have this big goal. I used to talk about billions before meme coins, before anything. I used to be billionaire by 40. That's, that's when I was, that was when I was arrogant, right? 41:58 That's when I, I didn't- Yeah... I, I just wanted money still. I didn't have a deeper why. I didn't wanna serve the world. I just, like, I just wanna be rich. I didn't- Yeah. It was empty. 42:09 I saw that and I said, "These signs are meant for me." Mm. "I am supposed to have them." Literally, she posted them for me. 42:15 These speak to the next journey of my life, and the affirmations and the things I wanna profess- Yeah... as I'm building this way. They were still up after a month. I was like, "Gosh, I gotta try to get these." 42:25 I called my friend. I said, "This girl hates me. I need you to message her on Facebook, and you try to pick them up, and I'll pay you the money, please." [laughs] He's like, "All right, dude." Okay. 42:37 And he's like, "Well, I'll pay her for them and you pick them up." I'm like, "No, I can't pick them up. If, if I try to get them, like, she just hates me or something." That was what I was thinking, right? Right. 42:44 She, she's ignoring all my messages. They're still available. Sure. Why doesn't she want the money? [laughs] I must, she must just not need the money, and it's a principle thing. Right. So I go through him. 42:55 I try to do it. He messages her. 45 minutes after he messages her, it says they're sold. It pops up on Facebook. Sorry, they're sold. I'm like- Mm... "Damn. Whatever, I guess they weren't for me." Right. 43:06 Fast-forward seven days away from moving out of my apartment, I'm not on Facebook as much, but it's time to sell a lot of my furniture last second. So I post my furniture on Facebook Marketplace. Yep. This is about... 43:19 This was- I remember the, the, the whole gap, but this was like an 11-month gap, bro. Yeah. So sold 11 months ago. Okay. Gone. Wow. Over with. Wow. But those were for me. Gone. 43:31 Seven days before I'm leaving, I'm leaving forever- Yeah... the first time I go on to post furniture on Facebook, I see the listing again. Just went live 34 minutes ago. No. Okay? What? What's the price? Not 500 bucks. 43:48 50 for all six. No. What? You can't even find that at Goodwill. No way. If I went to Goodwill or the thrift store- Yeah... they'd still be 10, 25 bucks each. You could not find that anywhere. That's awesome. 44:00 The original seller, she set them aside, they never showed up. Destiny, synchronous, like, that was just how it was supposed to be. Hey. And she got busy and she's like, "I just need this crap gone." 44:11 I messaged her again immediately. I said, "I'll pick them up right now." It was like- Yeah... 10:00 at night. "Pick them up right now." And I did, I got them. Now, um, the timing of this, 44:21 the timing of this, and this is two parts. There's a, there's a better part. The timing of this is if I didn't see that, okay, I went to post my furniture, that's a crazy coincidence. 34 minutes, she just posted them. 44:32 Coincidence. If I left, seven days later I wouldn't be in the area and be able to pick them up again. Coincidence? Maybe. I got here, I set them up, I set up my studio. Right. When I got here, I still had plans to work. 44:45 Okay? I, I was still doing some gig work and some other things. That's another thing to talk about. While you're chasing your dream- Yeah... you may not be able to be full time. Right. You may have to... 44:53 I chose gigs because I could- Yeah... work on my own time. There you go. Flicks, uh, different gigs that you could do out and about. Right. Um, I chose that. I was still doing that. When I got here, I thought, 45:05 to be real, I am a faith-based guy, God led me to Florida. Like, this was in my... Like, this is where you need to come next. Cool. I love it. I thought, I trusted the plan. I know I was supposed to be here. 45:15 When I got here and I tried to do what I was doing before- Yeah... all the doors slammed shut in my face. Yeah. All of them. Everything that I had planned, all the outlets, even for a minute I looked into, like, Uber. 45:25 I'm like, "Maybe I'll just do, like, Uber or something, do that on the side." Yeah. All the doors slammed shut in my face. Hmm. And I was having stress about a month into moving here. 45:34 I do have a nest egg, I do have some savings- That's good... and, uh, that I can live on. I'm blessed. That's good. [laughs] I'm blessed in that way. Thank you. Yeah. But 45:43 I sat in this chair about a month in, stressing for like- Mm... three days in a row. I said, "I gotta figure out what to do. I need- Yeah... to figure out what to do." Yeah. Like, i- i- is this the sign? 45:54 Am I supposed to, like, go all in on my dreams for the first time in my life? Hmm. 45:58 And I sat here frustrated on day three, and I just turned around in the chair for the first time and I started reading the signs that are right behind me, and I read them in sequential order. "Risk it or lose the chance. 46:10 Time is money." I'm wasting, what do I do? What do I do? "All in on your dreams." Yes. Hmm. "Build an empire." 46:19 Those four signs were my, served as my message of, okay, maybe I got all those signs and I got them for motivation for this moment right here, to speak to me as a undeniable symbol in your life. 46:36 And then it gets better than that. I, in this whole time when I'm frustrated, uh, I have, everyone has guilty pleasures. Thankfully mine isn't hard drugs, it's ice cream. [laughs] Hey. There you go. 46:47 So- You gotta have something. I, I, I go to the gym, too. I work out a lot, so I'm not, you know, it hasn't gotten me in trouble. That's okay. That's okay. But, uh- Don't worry about it. It's just ice cream... 46:55 I love, I, I, if I get, if I get stressed, I'm like, man, ice cream's good. Ice cream's a good leisure thing. What, what's your brand? What's your brand of ice cream? Okay, so Ben & Jerry's if I'm getting the pint. Okay. 47:03 I get that a lot. Okay. I can also do Häagen-Dazs. Ooh. I hit Häagen-Dazs, too. Okay. Yep. But Florida guy, have you ever been to Brewster's? Yes. Yes, I have. Brewster's- This is pretty good... 47:14 four-scoop waffle cone- Oh... is my jam. Damn. Okay. Dream big. Bet. Bet. Dream big. Four scoop every time. [laughs] It's good. I love it, man. I love it, fam. Yeah. 47:26 Um, yeah, I, I'm a big Magnum guy, so I'm like gotta have- Okay. Okay, nice... the Magnum. Yeah. The bars? The, uh, just the bars, man. Yeah, yeah. Just the sticks or whatever, because- Doesn't make you dig in... 47:35 I don't feel guilty because it's just small, right? It's after the stick I'm done, right? It's not a fricking pint. I don't have to keep scooping. Dude. 47:41 I'm like, just the pint so I don't feel too bad, but if I get two bars, then I feel really guilty. So I try to, like, all right, just the four bars thing. Yeah. And I'm just one a day kind of deal. 47:51 But, like, since I'm doing my marathon training, dude, I've pretty much cut out all sugar, all processed foods. Oh, there's that discipline. I am going real healthy. It's just, it comes, it comes with time. 48:00 Time and- Yeah... consistency and knowing what you want and going for your goals and going for those dreams. Yes. You know? So- Yeah. Pick it up, fly... that's how I'm going. Let's go. I love that. Yeah. So 48:10 I, uh, I said, "Okay, like, I'm figuring this out, whatever. I think I got it." Yeah. "I'm gonna just go get some ice cream," right? Like, go get some ice cream. Okay. So I've only, I've only been here one month. Yeah. 48:20 And there's two ways to get to where I wanna go, and I took the one that I normally don't take for some reason. I just took, I've been Brewster's like three times. I took a new route. 48:29 [laughs] It was my fourth time in one month. Cool. I know Brewster's. They had that in the Carolinas. Okay. Um, I go a different route. Okay. I'm in my head. Uh, I'm kind of on autopilot, you know? 48:40 Like, you can see the road- Hmm... but your mind's somewhere else. Yep. Yeah. I'm in my mind. 48:44 I'm thinking this, maybe I'm, like, talking to myself in my head, and then I snap out of it and I'm, I said something intentional in my head. 48:50 I'm like, "Man, I just, you know, gotta figure this out," or like, "What is the answer?" And then I look up, and as I go under the underpass, it says, like, "Dreamer's Lane"- Hmm... right there. 48:59 And I was like, I got chills. I got ch- I said, "Okay. Okay. Okay. I, I got you. I got you." Hmm. I, I, uh, universe, God, higher self, whatever you wanna c- okay. All right. Bet. So all in on my dreams. Yeah. 49:13 So that's what we're here for, bro. I am, um, I'm, I'm, I've told myself I'm never gonna work a job again or gig. I, I'm going to put the pressure on. I have these funds, and I like to play a game called do or die. 49:27 That means, uh, you e- you have to make it, because for me it's not an option to go work. That's, that's the mindset I put is I'm just not meant for that. I, if the pressure's on, we make diamonds. Hmm. 49:39 And so- This is gonna be a very interesting six months, and this is where I hope to create on, uh, social media in the same way that you are as a content creator and I'm taking a course on that, and monetization efforts is the goal. 49:52 So I wanna monetize through social and make that just so if I can pay my... My goal was double what my bills are. Mm. So like my overhead, double that. 50:01 And, uh, that won't make me rich, but that'll give me unlimited time essentially, where if I'm making content online and I'm getting paid, that content is about dreams. 50:11 So it's not like I'm doing something completely away. It's completely aligned. It can funnel into Dreamcat. It can funnel into my personal Twitter. It all adds up. 50:21 And so it's most aligned with my highest vision, and so I feel that's what I'm being led to. And then for the people out there, this happens in your life. 50:29 When you, uh, sometimes, ha- an inner voice, whatever you wanna call it, right? Different religions, whatever, God, universe, wants you to make a shift and you see it as a hardship, as a setback. 50:42 That's what I saw when I was sleeping on my mom's, or, uh, in my, uh, my mom's house, right? Yeah. But it set me up for crypto. Yeah. Changed my life. It's why I'm here with you today, because of that. Aw. Dude. 50:52 I'm not working anymore. Like, I, I was in a 9:00 to 5:00 that I loved. A dream job. Yeah. An incredible job. I worked there for one year. It's over now. Whoa. I got my degree for that, everything. 51:03 When you don't make the leap, perceived hardships are God, universe's way of forcing you to shift. 51:12 And oftentimes because of comfort, after we leave what we know so well, we seek naturally to go back because it's so hard to transition- Mm... 51:22 and we don't know what's next, and we don't like uncertainty, and we don't like risk and not knowing, and so we gravitate to the things. 51:29 And that's exactly what I did when I came here, which I had been doing, but I guess I wasn't getting it, and so the door slammed shut in my face. It worked so well where it was before. It didn't work here. 51:41 And that's a way of taking you away, taking you somewhere new. 51:46 I was told to come to Florida, and that's maybe to get me to the next step of the journey, and I've had three or four of these in my whole life where the door slammed shut. Happened to me with basketball. 51:56 I didn't stop playing basketball. I got a concussion in college. I got knocked out of the air, and I couldn't watch TV, work out, drink, party, college, anything. I started reading books. I always wanted to read. 52:08 I never had time. I checked out seven books. One of those books, the first book I read, The Little Red Book of Selling by Jeffrey Gitomer- Mm. Mm, good book... told me a few things. 52:19 It said, "Hey, you should, uh, write, because writing builds credibility." So I started a LinkedIn. Then I heard... Then he said, "Hey, we have a podcast. Check it out." 52:27 First podcast I ever listened to, Sell or Die by Jeffrey Gitomer. Mm-hmm. On that podcast, they had a contest. They said, "We wanna know who's got the best positive attitude, the best yes attitude. 52:38 Answer this contest and X, Y, Z will happen." 52:41 I enter that contest on the first book that I read out of that whole lineup after my hardship from that famous author who was on the best, New York Best Times Seller list longer than Harry Potter- Wow... 52:55 for sales and business. Number one sales book of all time. I win the grand prize of their contest, $35,000 contest. They fly me out to Charlotte. Whoa. I get to be on their studi- in their studio show. Very cool. 53:06 He's got 14 condos connected in a mass building. Uh- That's incredible... all his autographed books, one day of coaching. That's how I got my first job out of college- That's-... through him... that's a cool story. 53:21 That's a cool story, bro. Like, that's- That's-... amazing. That's everyone's dream right there, especially- Couldn't even see it... in sales. Yeah. 53:29 Couldn't even see it, and that's what I was going to school for, and I got to, I got to work... I was the lead salesman for a guru in the Speaker Hall of Fame. Like, that is- Wow. That's amazing... a blessing of... 53:40 It gave me a one-year... I'm not there anymore, but it gave me- Right... gosh, every... I saw two books got, got written in real time. 53:46 I mean, like, Grant Cardone was walking through the office when I was there on Sunday. Like, I, I, I saw my boss say, "Yeah, uh, you wanna have me speak? $40,000? Sure." Like, whoa. That's, like, my salary at this job. 54:00 Like, $40,000 instantly for one hour of speaking, whoa. It, it raised my standard. It was- Yeah... it was awesome for me. Um- Huge opportunity... part of the journey, you know? Yeah. 54:13 And then, and then you, like, you just crashed, and then you're, like, rising again, basically. I had, I had these, I got these debilitating migraines. Um- Oh, okay... about the end of one year. 54:23 I was on a winning streak. Yeah. I just closed huge sales. Yeah. Everything was, my life was on fire. And, um- Wow... being booked for podcasts. Wow. And a huge falloff. Was forced to resign. Yeah. Move home. I know. 54:37 Anxiety. Yeah, you told me that earlier. All different things. Yeah. Yeah. So, so, yeah, it was, it was- Rebuilding... but again- You were rebuilding... that had to be part of it, right? 54:46 Because I said, my intention, my plan was, "Hey, Jeffrey, you're amazing. Uh, my goal is to..." They asked me in the beginning, "What do you wanna do?" I said, "I wanna work for you guys for seven years, 54:57 and then I wanna be an entrepreneur and do my own thing." Mm-hmm. And so little did I know the timeframe was sped up tremendously, and right now I'm grateful for that. Like, I can see it's harder. 55:10 It's, it's, you know, maybe less sexy, but I've got so much experience to where now I finally feel like I know exactly where I'm going. Like, I know my life purpose. I know what I'm doing. I'm confident in it. 55:21 I'm not trying new things and wondering. Now I know, and that's the gift of discovery in your own life, you know? Self-discovery, right? Yeah. Finding yourself. Yes. Being aware. 55:33 And I wanna get more into that, too, because I feel like 55:37 after college you had such grandeur, so much opportunity, and then, you know, due to debilitating migraines, you know, had to resign, all that stuff, so you had to move back to your mom's. 55:48 You know, it's like all these... You, you were, like, here, and then you're here- Yeah... and now you're going back up to that spot that you were, you, you once was. Yeah. 55:57 And it's like- I feel like you're rediscovering yourself along this journey, you know? Oh. And that is, that is impactful. That is huge. Like, how does one, like, or, or I should just say how do you, 56:11 how do you keep doing this? Like, how do you keep working on yourself, your inner self? Like, let- let's dig a little deeper into that. Okay, cool. Because I feel like that's really important. Inner self. 56:20 That's something that people really need to understand when they're trying to figure out what they wanna do in life, where they wanna go, right, their why, right, their bigger picture. 56:30 And of like, because, you know, you- we hear about this all the time on different podcasts, you know, YouTubers, and it's just like tell me more about, you know, how you keep rebuilding yourself because I know this is really tough for you, right? 56:44 Like, self-development, you know, we, we- Yeah... we preach about it all the time, right? But it's like how do you on a personal level do this for yourself? Yeah, man, the, the inner self and the building. 56:56 Well, let me say this. Yeah. What I'm about to say is my messaging is for the dreamer, right? Right. For someone who wants to achieve their dreams. 57:04 Understand this, that 93% of people with ambitions do not make their dream come true. Mm. That's pretty, I mean, that's like a, what's the right word to even say? That's like a- Nine out of 10 chance? [laughs] Yeah. 57:17 I mean, that's kinda like, damn, what are my chances then? Not good odds. Right? Not good odds. So people need to know, okay, what- Mm... differentiates you? 57:25 If you wanna be part of the seven, obviously you have to do things differently. Right. So the inner work for most people- Yeah... is neglected. Mm. 57:34 It's they're going about their life doing what they want, friends, maybe social life, job, career, relationship. They're just going about life. 57:44 As a dreamer, maybe it started as a hobby or a passion, now it's like a job, is inner work and self-development. So I seek it out deeply. Most people don't read after high school's over, after college is over, right? 57:59 Right. I'm reading like three different books. I got my 20 minutes reading here, reading before bed- Oh... reading during, after my meditation. By the way, we do the same practice. I heard you talk about with a friend. 58:08 We can talk about that too. Yes. Yes. For sure. I, I shouted you out- Love it... to my people after the fact- Aw. Aw... to say, "Look. Look what he's doing." You talk about the meditation, reading. Yep. 58:16 I do the same stuff each morning. Smart. Awesome. Smart. Awesome. Awesome. Um- Readers are leaders. Yes. Uh, dude, come on. You gotta be. Um, so- Yeah. I love it... I, I seek it out. Mm. I seek it out. 58:30 Self-education, right? Mm-hmm. And there are levels to it. There is, okay, I'm having this anxiety inside. Ho- they told me I need to take these pills, but that doesn't make sense to me because something caused this. Mm. 58:43 Why could I just take a p- something caused this anxiety. There's a root cause. Every cause, cause and effect. Every effect has a cause. Right, right. So I said, "I'm not accepting that. I'm gonna figure out the why." 58:55 Mm-hmm. So inner work there done on myself. Do I have unforgiveness in my heart? Did, did someone betray me somewhere and I'm holding onto this weight that's hovering over my chest subconsciously? 59:06 And I didn't realize that I needed to forgive. Part of my healing, uh, was forgiving two people who wronged me deeply in a very emotional way that cut deep to me, and I had to practice sending them love. 59:18 And on the first day I did it, a huge weight came off my chest. I said, "Whoa, I didn't even know that was there." Mm. That's a piece of it, right? 59:25 Then I had to understand anxiety of, man, well, it's really just my thoughts, and anxiety is fueled by lies- Mm... that we're telling ourselves on repeat. It's, it's the anxious things people fear are irrational, right? 59:40 People are scared to fly on a plane. This plane's coming down. Do the math. How many planes come down a year? How many in America, right? Very rare. 30, uh, millions go. It's like- Mm... 0.000000. Yeah. So irrational. 59:53 All my fears were irrational. Yeah. They were built up, so I had to identify that. That's one layer. I've gone through the different layers. The most recent is my spiritual journey. 1:00:02 That is willingly inner work that I sought out, um, to discover, and man, holy moly, is that something. And then the inner work, of course, of, of the self-development's always ongoing for me. So, 1:00:17 uh, self-help, personal development, the belief systems. And the thing with those is you have to do it, it's just like school. The more you study, the more you become a master. Knowing knowledge is not power. 1:00:29 That is a cliche. Applied knowledge is power. Ooh, there we go. "Oh, yeah, I heard that before. I know about that." Ah, but you're not doing it. Mm. You're not doing it. I am also victim to this. 1:00:41 I have known what to do before, and I have not done it because maybe I didn't believe in it 100%. Maybe I needed to, maybe the Bible told me this and Tony Robbins told me this- Yes... 1:00:55 but I had to hear it from Neville Goddard. And I said, "Oh, my gosh, they're all saying the exact same thing. It was true all along. Now I believe it 100%, and I'm gonna step forward and trust that principle." 1:01:06 And oh, my gosh, it works. So the, the inner work is, again, as a dreamer, the inner work is work. You, you gotta seek out things that aren't a, a requirement of life. You have free will. You can do whatever you want. 1:01:21 You can watch cartoons. That'll feel good, but why are you so depressed and anxious inside? Ah, because you're neglecting you have a purpose on this Earth. Every human being, as long as you're not an AI or an NPC, okay? 1:01:34 [laughs] There, there... I think there really is NPCs out there, by the way. I really do. I believe it. I be- seriously, you don't know unless you, you actually meet 'em IRL, you know? And I, I believe- The eyes. Eyes. 1:01:44 The eyes. Oh. This is... Some people's eyes are dead. Mm. Do, do you, do you pick up on this? Not, not yours. Not yours. I'm saying some people's eyes... I, I was pointing. I didn't, I wasn't looking at your eyes. 1:01:53 You're okay. You're good. I don't think that about you. Thank you. I appreciate that. But some people you meet And they say, okay, here's a principle, the eyes are the window to the soul, right? I've heard that. 1:02:00 So, like- I've heard that, yeah... when you look into people's eyes, me, I'm- I'm very like, ah, kinda like a little bit empath, like I feel feelings of people. I could see that. Yeah. 1:02:09 And sometimes I'll walk past someone at the grocery store, I'll be like, "Oh, man, that girl's in so much pain." There's no tears, there's- Oh... I just feel it instantly by looking- You're dead inside... in. Yeah. 1:02:20 And when there's people who, a lot of times it's like the celebrities, that's a little conspiracy, right? Ah, the celebrities are always wearing sunglasses. I've heard that. People talk about like clones and stuff. 1:02:31 They say like, "Could you believe in this?" Is it because the eyes tell all. And when you see the eyes, uh, you can tell when people have no life force in their eyes. 1:02:40 So the soul that any real dreamer and human has is reflected through the eyes. You can see the- the vitality, the life force really deeper in the eyes. 1:02:50 My emotions show you, my hands show you, but really it's in the eyes. And you can see people who have just, there's nothing clicking. It's- it's the- Hmm... dead, dead eyes. Dead eyes. 1:02:59 And that's a little conspiratorial, but, um, some of the- the, um, spiritual path people, like Dolores Cannon, I don't know if you came across her at all ever. No. No. I haven't. Who's she? She's a metaphysical teacher. 1:03:13 She was a- a hypnotherapist, uh, um- Interesting... she would put people in hypnotherapy and explore past life regression. So that's like really deep. I don't know how deep you are in your journey. 1:03:25 That might be like weird, but, um- No, no, I was getting into hypnosis last year, so this is- Oh, were you?... interesting. Yes, yes. 1:03:32 Um, the- the cartoon artist, uh, Scott Adams, I'm not sure if you're familiar with him, but he just passed away about a month ago. Oh, man. Um, he was the creator of Dilbert. Remember the comic strips? Oh, yeah, yeah. 1:03:43 I- I- Scott Adams... learned about him a little bit- He had a podcast... because he- he- Yeah, he ran a podcast, Coffee with Scott Adams. Yeah. But, um, he ran this podcast for years, but I was a huge supporter of him. 1:03:53 Mm-hmm. I bought all his books. Hmm. But he's a trained hypnotist. Oh, okay. And he's also in persuasion, right? Ah. 1:03:59 He's, in a lot of his books, and he teaches you about persuasion, about how Trump does the things he does, and I've learned a lot of his techniques based off- Ooh... my own marketing. So it's really interesting- Ooh... 1:04:09 that you're talking about- I like that... this person specifically because I'm like, I try to show up and brainwash myself constantly every single day. Ooh. Self-hypnosis, right? You do. Yeah, yeah. Come on. 1:04:18 And this is, this is a determining factor of how I show up for myself, right? 1:04:24 Before I show up for others, because when I do, I'm already preset, I'm already preconditioned, I'm already positive, uplifting, and encouraging because this is how I want to impact the people that support me. 1:04:35 I feel your energy come alive right there. Yeah. Definitely not an NPC, okay? [laughs] But anyway, back- No, no... 1:04:41 to the NPCs, because I- I think you're onto something about that, because a lot of people are like, "Are these aliens then? Are they actually really human?" 1:04:49 You know, it's like, n- not to get a little conspiratorial- Like, yeah. No, it's, it's fair... but I wanna get into this a little bit because you're not the first person that has brought this up. 1:04:57 So that's what I'm saying. And a lot of, even the, um, even the Charlie Kirk thing, you know, like- We're in... I w- I won't go too deep into K- Okay. Yeah... the conspiracy stuff. I can. 1:05:05 I know it like the back of my hand. I bet you do. But I don't wanna, I don't wanna publicly put my name on it yet. Sure, sure. But, um- No, no. Fair- fair enough. 1:05:12 But just- But, um, I would say this is a conspiratorial time, right? A lot of things that used to be- Mm... conspiracies are true in today's age with the, with everything that's coming out. 1:05:20 But I'll tell you one other clue that I've heard and know. 1:05:23 I'll give you one other, uh, clue here, is that a good way to people to assess, um, and this could be scary in case you're like, "Oh my gosh, was I always an NPC?" 1:05:33 [laughs] Is they say that NPCs don't have the inner voice. Mm. So the, that you think, I'm sure you have a voice in your head sometimes that- Yep... 1:05:44 says things to you that, is, are those your thoughts or is that your little conscious in your brain talking to you- Hmm... or he tells you to do this or to do that? 1:05:53 That is something allegedly that- that NPCs don't have and- and basically what they are is they're the people who are the most reactionary. So oftentimes you see people who are always chasing the next thing, right? 1:06:05 Like, "Oh man, Ukraine," and, "Oh, you know, Russia this, and- and Iran this, and Gaza, blah, blah, blah." Right. Like, always going to one thing. 1:06:13 They're screaming at the to- I'm not saying it's like, I'm not trying to say it's like liberals and politics, that, that was just one little thing. I'm not, I'm not saying that. 1:06:21 That's just one thing I think of is, um, you know, pe- why- why are these people so mad? Why are they screaming- Mm... about nothing, right? It's like, just doesn't make sense. Right. 1:06:29 They say that the people don't have an inner voice in their head, and that's one way to know. And so they don't actually know. 1:06:35 The thing is if- if- if you really wanna study like actual NPCs and believe in it, the- the study is on it, is that people don't know that they're an NPC. 1:06:44 They live a normal life, they have a normal job, but maybe they- they can't find that dream. Maybe they're like, "I don't know what my purpose is," or- That's where their eyes are dead... 1:06:53 the thing is, going back to it- Hmm... every person who has a soul, an NPC does not have a soul. Hmm. That's the thing. They're still human, they're still normal. 1:07:02 You could have some friends, you could talk about sports, they can buy crypto, all normal things. Sure. But they don't have the divine spark, which every real human being does. 1:07:13 If you have a divine spark, which I'm sure the mass majority of people is, you know, those people on Earth- Yeah... you have a purpose. You have a bigger purpose. 1:07:23 It's not just to work your job, it's not just to have kids. You have a deeper purpose, and what is the Earth model? 1:07:29 Well, man, we're so wired to, well, I need to get a job 'cause I need to make money so I can pay for my credit card debt, my Gucci bag, my car payments- [laughs]... 1:07:40 my house, and oh man, I'm basically just in the rat race, you know- Yeah... a slave to money. Yeah. You may get caught up even as a soul-based being. A lot of people are in that. 1:07:51 They're just, they- they've never done the inner work to discover, is this what I'm supposed to do with my whole life? 1:07:58 Maybe they've been given synchronicities, but they're not attuned to them because the part of this Earth, this is also in the metaphysical new age stuff Is that I, my view on Earth is that Earth is a school, okay? 1:08:10 Earth is a... This is... I don't know how deep you are on this, so if I get crazy- Take it away. Take it away... I don't know. No, no. I'm listening. I'm listening. I don't wanna weird you out. This is interesting. 1:08:17 I don't wanna weird you out. I, I might, may already know this, so just continue. [laughs] Okay. Well, well my take on things, I'm happy to share this, is- Yeah... 1:08:23 the way I see Earth, my, um, Earth is- Do, do, do we live in a simulation, real quick? Do we live in a simulation? Yes and no. Okay. So, uh, I don't wanna say all my beliefs, but 1:08:39 Earth, the way I see it, is a school, okay? Okay. Okay. One of many schools. 1:08:44 If you go to Dolores Cannon and you look at hypnotherapists, what she does when she puts them in hypnosis is she brings their soul to the front. Mm. A soul can't die. Energy cannot die. 1:08:55 Energy, when you die, your soul moves forward. A lot of people believe that. Maybe I go to heaven, maybe I go to hell, maybe I'm reincarnated. Whatever you believe, okay? Um, the soul does not die. 1:09:05 So the soul is, who knows, 10,000 years old, 20,000... Who knows? What is the answer? Mm. But she, through the hypnotherapy, puts your conscious to sleep and brings the soul to the front to speak to the inner you- Oh... 1:09:19 and that inner you talks about past lives or different periods of time. Wow. 'Cause that's showing that the soul energy is always being repurposed, okay? Mm. 1:09:30 Now, the way that I've come to find it is that Earth is simply a school. Before you come here, you are told the hardships you're going to experience. You're told the life you're gonna live. 1:09:42 You actually get a glimpse of it. You get a preview before you enter in as a, as a child. But the game with Earth is that the thing is that you're coming here to develop your soul. 1:09:53 So this is a place for you to learn lessons. 1:09:55 So in some way, it kind of is like a simulation, because you think you live these whole yen- 100 years, but allegedly from this point of view, this perspective, when you die, you're like, "Oh my gosh, that was, like, 20 minutes. 1:10:05 It was all, like, a big dream. It was just a giant play." Mm. Because you came to this simulation, you could say, this level, this game, to learn the human lessons that you can learn in human form, right? 1:10:17 It, as, as a soul on Earth, the hardships, the lessons, and this shapes you and builds you. And so that's what I believe, and the idea here is, what gets big, is that this is only one of the, one of the levels, right? 1:10:31 There are other levels. There are other places to go besides Earth, and we may find this out in June of this year if Trump starts talking about, uh, is there more out there? Are there potentially people all in the skies? 1:10:46 People who are into meditation have some experiences with these said things. Mm. Right? So, uh, it's a big, big world out there and, um, yeah, what was my whole point of that? The soul, the spark. 1:10:58 If you're a human, you have a soul, um- NPCs... you have a purpose. You have a purpose, a dream, something you're supposed to do, and then I was just rambling about soul stuff and- Yeah, I love it... there. 1:11:07 I wanna go back to NPCs. 1:11:08 Do you think NPCs that live among us, do you think they can eventually achieve this, like, dream status or, or finding something that they're passionate about or becoming, or are they just gonna be set in their ways and always be an NPC? 1:11:22 They can find passions, but the truth is, is that you know how everyone says... Or not everyone, but some people who are dreamers say, "Man, I'm like, I'm like Neo. I'm the main character," right? Right. Right. 1:11:33 "I am the one." Right. You notice how some people say that? I know. Yeah. Some people who are NPC probably never think to be the one. They're just like, "Oh, I'm Sally, and I'm just meant to be... 1:11:42 I, I just really enjoy my job as a server," right? Mm. So when you s- the, the part about the NPCs in The Matrix is they're actually here to support your human experience. Right. Okay. 1:11:54 If everyone was a main character, how would we fully live the journey out? So in, in a sense of the simulation, there are fill-in pieces, and this gets really deep. Some people will say... 1:12:06 I've never experienced this yet, but I'll tell you one thing that I read. 1:12:08 So this is, um, in some of the channels, people say, you know, "Have you ever gone to a restaurant and you're the first person there, and no one's there, but as soon as you get there, a bunch of people arrive?" 1:12:17 I do notice that, yes. [laughs] That happened yesterday. That happened y- when I was at Outback Steakhouse. I noticed there was nobody there. Mm. And then- What's happening?... 1:12:25 as I left, it, it, it filled up a lot more. Why is that? Mm. Interesting. Yeah. That is very weird. It's almost like... I don't know. I don't know either. I'm just... 1:12:34 [laughs] It was nearing dinnertime when I was leaving, though, because I got there around 3:00 or 4:00. That's what we tell ourselves. We know it was during dinnertime, but, but I don't know that for sure. 1:12:42 I haven't looked that. But the cool thing, let me tell you something cool about awakening and, and personal development. Sure. Go for it. Yes. Love it. 1:12:49 When we have this conversation right here, this is profound- Mm-hmm... and anyone who listens to this, this is profound. Because if a lot of people have experiences that they, that are cliche and they don't talk about. 1:12:58 Mm. Because it's like, oh yeah, you know, that was just something random, or that was just a weird coincidence. 1:13:03 But if we all came together and we all spoke about it, we would say, "Oh my gosh, that happened to me, that happened to me, that happened to me. Whoa, this, this is something." 1:13:12 So the power that the internet is doing, if you talk about the awakening, it is, man, it is pushing the awakening forward because we're able to... We have an experience. We, we're scared about it. We're worried about it. 1:13:24 What is this about? Yeah. And then you find 100 people who said, "Oh man, that's level one. I did that a long time ago. Don't worry. The next thing that happens to you is this, this, and this. 1:13:32 And yeah, this is part of this." And so you find your people, and you find this is how you, like, learn, I guess, in a deeper way. It's my new favorite way of learning. 1:13:41 So I'll use AI, ChatGPT, actually Grok specifically for this- Right... and I will poll... Here's a trick for Grok, how to get good information. If you ask Grok 1:13:53 surface level questions, it'll actually, like, lie to you or it won't find the right answers. If you wanna find an answer that you're looking for, you have to lie to Grok as if you're speaking the truth. 1:14:04 So, like, I don't even know what an example would be, but I just tell Grok, like- I heard, or, or like my experience, right? 1:14:13 I just recently, I experie- I just recently, uh, found this magic stone and I time traveled across the world. 1:14:20 Uh, go on Reddit and, I don't know, YouTube comments, X, and pull me everyone who shares this similar experience. 1:14:30 And then you find the people on different topics, not time traveling, but you find the, the people on different topics who, um, are crazy and share this experience. And there's... 1:14:41 And science doesn't back it, and the news doesn't back it, and the world doesn't back it, but 500 people share the same experience that you had, and they say, "Yes, this happened to me. Here's my story." Hmm. 1:14:52 And so Grok has brought me all those people. It's plucked a tweet from two years ago, three years ago. Wow. Incredible tool. Incredible. So we're finding stuff out in real time. 1:15:03 This is the, the, the Great Awakening in real time, matter of fact. Spiritual awakenings for people all over. This is. This is why this podcast is so important too, Zach. Like, seriously. 1:15:12 This is one of the reasons I decided to launch a podcast like this. And this isn't, in full transparency, this isn't my first podcast. This took me a few times to figure it out, right? Oh, okay. 1:15:21 To keep coming back, to keep failing, to keep rebooting. Before crypto, I ran podcasts, right? Mm-hmm. My background's in journalism and PR. I went to school at the University of Alaska in Fairbanks. 1:15:31 I interned, I worked at various newspapers, magazines. I ran my own photography business. Mm. I ran my own business before crypto, you know? 1:15:38 So this isn't my first rodeo of trying to run my own business again, my own LLC, Crypto Fam Media. 1:15:43 And so with all that being said, you know, it's like I don't think this is anyone's first times, but that's the thing about new beginnings. You can keep resetting yourself. You can keep having a new beginning. 1:15:55 A, a new spiritual awakening, we're like onions, right? We keep peeling back the layers. We all have different layers. Shout out to Shrek. [laughs] Shout out to Shrek. I love that movie. One of my favorite OG movies. 1:16:04 I love that movie too. And so it's like we all, we all... A- and it, and it's okay to fail and, and, and to try again. A lot of people, they get so discouraged when they fail, you know? 1:16:15 Like you were telling me your experience of, of failing and, and getting pushed back and, and moving back with your mom, and then just like rebooting again. 1:16:21 And we have to have those failures, the, so we can e- experience life for what it is. We, we need the sweet with the, with the sour essentially, right? That's how we get to where we want to go in life. 1:16:31 We can't always keep having the sweet cake on Saturdays. You c- i- every day can't be Saturdays, right? Unfortunately not. No, no. Yeah, unfortunately not. And, and that's the thing. It's... 1:16:41 I would say fortunately too because I don't, I don't wanna live a life like that. True. You know? It's good to do hard things, right? 1:16:48 It's good to show up and do the work, you know, and do the grind because that's what makes dreams possible. 1:16:56 If dreams were so easy to attain, everyone would have their dream already made up and, and we'd, we'd all be millionaires, right? The, if, if everyone had a Ferrari, who would want a Ferrari? Right? Exactly. 1:17:05 Dude, that's, that's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. So dreams are there for a reason, and they're really, really hard to get to, but I've noticed when you do hard things, everything else gets easier. Hmm. 1:17:15 You know what I'm saying? That's profound. Sure. Everything else gets so much easier when you really do hard things. 1:17:20 And when I was camping up in those mountains doing disperse camping last year in Colorado by myself- Ooh... with my cat Stella. Oh, you brought your cat. I brought my magical black cat, Stella. She's my- Okay... 1:17:30 emotional support animal. Wow. It was just me and her up on those mountains, doing elevation training, running X spaces. I had an awakening. 1:17:38 I, I went on a few vision quests, not gonna lie, and I came to terms with myself and what I really wanted to do in crypto was to support communities in crypto that have visions on trying to build a better life for themselves. 1:17:53 You see what I'm saying? Hmm. Yeah. 1:17:54 And being one of the best space hosts that I wanted to be, and then coming to terms with just the end of last year and seeing IRL events and seeing how that changes your perspective on building rapport with people and building real relationships where people will not only like you, but trust you and start paying you. 1:18:13 I was like, "This is where I'm shining the most, bro." Hmm. 1:18:15 And then just after ETHDenver with the podcast lounge, and really doing live podcast episodes and k- thinking to myself, "I really need to relaunch another podcast," because this was before I got into crypto in 2020 run. 1:18:29 Uh, I was doing several different podcasts. I did an entrepreneur podcast. 1:18:32 I even did another podcast called As Time Goes By, where retire- where I interviewed retirees about their life stories, because I was working at a retirement home at the time as a driver, bro, because I failed. 1:18:44 I thought I had failed at my photography business. Hmm. It was burning to the ground, you know? Like, I, I had r- been running as a wedding photographer for seven plus years. I just got burnt out doing it. 1:18:54 I was not happy in the relationship. 1:18:56 I was constantly in, you know, and, and it was just one thing kinda led to another and I kinda just was like, I found this podcast as like a respite of this like getting to know people in a very meaningful way. 1:19:07 And when I launched One11, 111, if you know anything about numerology, angel numbers, new beginnings, you know, spiritual awakening, I really wanted this podcast to be different. 1:19:17 Not about crypto, but about the people behind the projects, right? 1:19:20 About people that have such a big dream that they could have a platform that they can share this, and where we can really build something beautiful together, you know? So yeah. 1:19:32 Oh, I- So I'm getting emotional just thinking about it, bro... No. I, I love it, dude. I love it. I am the s- Yeah... We can... You talk about, you know, connecting with people, rapport. 1:19:41 I am a passion-based, heartfelt, heart-on-my-sleeve person. Mm. I feel it come out of you. Yeah. I love your passion. I love it. I love it. Good. Thank you. It's good that you get emotional about it. You're high on life. 1:19:54 You, you, you ha- Thinking about your awakening and thinking about your purpose and your dream brings you, moves you because- Yes... 1:20:01 a- and you sa- and you've, I can see, you know, the excitement of you like finding your way or whatever because- Like I'm trying to figure it out along my journey. 1:20:08 I just want people to come with me and experience that too. That's the best part. That is the best part, is we're all- Yeah... okay, one thing I left out. Hmm. 1:20:16 When you, when you, uh, in this theory, when you're coming to Earth and you're coming to an Earth school and you- Yeah... 1:20:21 you know, see everything that's gonna happen, one thing of it that makes it so hard is your memory is wiped. So maybe people don't believe that. 1:20:27 So you know, but when you come here, all the things you were taught are left out. Some of those things come up in, in the self, uh, hypnosis regression. That's like a hack. Hmm. 1:20:38 So with that you say, "I'm just trying to figure it out." That's part of it. That's what we have to do to learn the lessons. We have to try things. We have to fail forward. 1:20:50 It's okay to fail as long as you, as long as you, uh, determine never to quit and give up. Right. The failures are stepping stones, building blocks. 1:21:00 Photography takes you to this podcast, and you probably learned great insights from people who are about to die or were 80 years old who could teach you about family and life and finance, and it was all... 1:21:10 You didn't, it didn't work out, it didn't go best, but now like you said, you've taken some of those lessons and maybe you're applying them to this podcast. Yes. 1:21:16 Or you've taken some of those real world lessons and apply them to your life, and it all stacks and it, and, uh, we're all figuring it out. We're all on this journey, and you can't quit. It will be hard. 1:21:28 It will test you. It will bring you down. But again, those tear downs, those setbacks, those hardships, another thing I wanna mention is after those, they make you stronger. 1:21:40 Like you said, my confidence is high because there are people who l- I'm not trying to compete. I'm about, more about pumping other people up actually, like player pump player. Yeah. 1:21:50 But let's say someone's at the same position as me, and we're both moving forward, and thus far they've had the easy route, right? Mm. Or just like they haven't had as much hardship as me. Right. 1:21:59 I notice that with all my friends. Like I went through major, major hardships that none of them had on the surface. Hmm. And I wondered why that was at the time. 1:22:09 And the clarity that I got is big setbacks because you have a big future. Huge future. That's what I've always believed. I, I'm, I'm gonna be one of the best. I'm one of the biggest dreamers in the world. 1:22:20 So that's how I made sense of it. That's sweet. And now if someone's going along this journey with me and they're struck with hardship- Hmm... it may be something that takes them out of the game. 1:22:29 Me, I can say, "Man, I've trained for this. I've already moved back to mom's house. I already became a shell of myself and lost my positive attitude." I know myself. 1:22:39 When my body's telling me something, if I'm getting a little headache, I know how to respond because I've taken the courses. Just like lifting weights. No pain, no gain, right? Mm-hmm. 1:22:48 If you don't, if you don't run, you don't... You, you're feeling, man, your heart wants to explode, your, your lungs are on fire when you're training, but that's why you're able to... 1:22:56 You know, if I try to run eight miles right now [laughs] I'd pass out. [laughs] You train. You get, you can get there. That's the thing. I don't like cardio. I don't like cardio. Oh, my. Ah, you know me, bro. 1:23:04 I would, I would r- You, you could be a good cardio guy. Uh, the stair climber is my cardio, bro. Uh- Maybe, bro. Or row machine. Row machine's great, bro. A row machine. Row machine, yeah. Row machine's a- Yeah... 1:23:13 a pretty aggressive workout. Very good. Um, but yeah. Very good. 30 minutes on that- No... you're, you're done. [laughs] Yeah. So yeah, I m- I mean, I mean, it makes sense. Mm. Love the passion. Yeah. 1:23:22 Love, love the passion and the expression. Dude, I appreciate that. Yeah, and I love the synergy we- we're having, and I'm just like I really appreciate you just coming to terms with just yourself, right? 1:23:32 And, and it comes back to self, right? We talk about that consistently, 'cause how you show up for yourself is how you show up for others. I've been seeing you in your spaces. 1:23:42 I actually saw a little bit of your live stream yesterday. Thank you. You were doing it last evening. I, I, I checked in real quick. Uh, it was my birthday yesterday, so I, I tried to stay off. Happy belated birthday. 1:23:51 Oh, I appreciate that. Yeah. Sorry, I didn't know. No, no, it's okay. I don't... I, I don't know. 1:23:55 I, I feel weird just announcing it to people because I don't like when people know my birthday because it's, for me, it's like, it, it's irrelevant. Like age is just a number. You know what I'm saying? Age is relative. 1:24:06 A lot of people don't believe I'm 37 now. I don't believe I'm 37. Do you? See, you don't believe this. I, I, this is, this is just good genes, eating right, and working out every day, honestly, you know? I love it. 1:24:18 And it's just like a lot of people think I'm in my late 20s, early 30s. I'm like, "You know, I'll take that." That's great. Every girl I've met, you know? You're not gonna complain. 1:24:24 They're like, yeah, you could totally... Because I think it's the energy, right? We come back to this spark, and I think a lot of people, they want that energy that we have, Zach. 1:24:32 So tell me more about how you're, um, building this energy within, you know? Tell me about the process you go to kind of reignite it, because I know how I do it, but I wanna see how do you do it in a way that- Okay... 1:24:44 makes the most sense for you. Because I, I can see you have very similar spark as I do, so I wanna hear more about that. Okay. So first of all, it's all compounding. So compounding, that is a, a success principle. 1:24:56 So like in Dreamcat, for example- Mm... we're studying. You don't have to believe what I'm saying. We're pulling from the most successful people in the world, and we're applying the universal laws, right? 1:25:06 Law of attraction is one. Compounding consistency, come on, everyone knows about that. The, if you had a penny and it doubled every day for a long time, you'd get to millions of dollars eventually, right? Mm-hmm. 1:25:17 So it's powerful. So I am a pr- a product of about nine years of self-work right now. Ooh. Ever since I had that concussion, I've been on a self-help journey. It's a part of my life. I listen to podcasts. I read books. 1:25:29 I've gone through several burn it all down restarts a couple times. So that's number one. That's awesome. Number two is, 1:25:36 um, I've learned this principle that I'm adopting deeply, and it's coming this, this, in the last six months, there's two principles that are guiding me right now deeply. 1:25:45 The first is that the understanding that everything in life that we're looking for, the answers, the, I don't know, where we're supposed to go, what we're supposed to do, all the answers are within. Everything is within. 1:26:00 But you have to get quiet enough. You have to- Get in the mind space. You have to do self-discovery to find what those things are, to find the purpose, to find the dream that's within. You have to cultivate it. 1:26:14 You have to draw it out. And so now when I don't know what to do in my natural self, I go within and I let go. That's how I found out to move to Florida. I didn't know what to do. I went outside in the grass one morning. 1:26:27 I did meditation and prayer. Mm. I didn't know. I was like this, this, this. I got up and I started walking, and I had nothing. And within a minute, a thought came into my head, and it said... It was this. 1:26:37 It was like, "Where you live now, are you currently growing, and is it moving you closer to your dream? Yes or no?" And I realized, well, no. Ever since I created Dreamcat, I no longer need the city of Charlotte. 1:26:49 I no- no longer need this proximity. Then the next question was, "Well, where could you move next that would move you closer to your dream?" And there was only two options, which was Germany, a big, a big shot. 1:27:01 Uh- [laughs]... that, that was one. I actually explored it. I looked at it. Really? Oh, interesting. Um, and Orlando was the other. Hmm. And so Germany, I realized I love America. The apartments aren't up to par. Mm. 1:27:14 What? No, no wash- no air conditioning? Open the windows. Okay. This isn't for me. Um- Yeah. That's amazing. Orlando, this has been exactly where I'm supposed to be. 1:27:24 There's been many more synchronicities where it's like- Okay... there's a specialty that I'm studying, a, a very deep topic. Oh. There's only one person in the world who knows this in and out. 1:27:35 It's actually someone who worked for Walt Disney in the past, right? I'm very into theme parks and animation as well. Oh, cool. Um- I didn't know that. Yeah, like that's one of my huge passions. So- Cool... 1:27:45 I've been to, uh, a lot of the big theme parks, and I'm going to three more. So when I said Tokyo, France, and California, that is to do homework on the Disneylands and the Universals- Oh... in all those cities. Okay. 1:27:57 That's what that's for. Whoa, okay. And so that all ties into big dream, right? Interesting. Fascinating. Um, because by the way, Mickey Mouse is an empire. Why? Mickey Mouse is a cult. Mickey Mouse is XRP. Yes. 1:28:10 Everyone in Disney- 80% of people in Disneyland are wearing Mickey Mouse merch and Disney merch. Yes. Why? Psychology. Walt, one of the biggest dreamers, one of the biggest visionaries of our time- Mm-hmm... 1:28:22 he was rejected many times. Yes. Even when he had made Mickey Mouse and all this, people didn't believe in him. Study the biggest dreamer, the biggest empire. 1:28:29 So I study these and, um, uh, what was I getting at with that? Um, dang. I lost my train of thought. No, you're okay. Uh, you were talking about the principles. Remember? Principles. Why. Everything's within. 1:28:44 Uh, I used meditation to figure out where I was gonna move. Mm-hmm. I picked Orlando as a good place. Yeah. There was a guy just s- I like side-note stories. I have a million. [laughs] I'm sorry. That's what happens. 1:28:53 It's okay. [laughs] I, I open up new tabs in my head- Right, right... when we talk about something, and then I forget to go back. So thanks for keeping me on track. This is, y- you're good. Yes. 1:29:00 This is important for an interviewer, right? Come back to the main topic. [laughs] Yes. So there is- I got you. [laughs] I read a book that ties- Yeah... in all my passions, and I found this- Yeah... 1:29:09 guy who worked for Walt Disney, who's super dead now. Super dead and gone. Right. Right. And in this book, he said, "You know, I had, I have 71 boxes." Mm. I just found this out like two weeks ago. 1:29:18 This is how high on life I am. I'm finding out big things that support my vision in real time. Yeah. 1:29:24 He said in the book, "I have 71 boxes in my attic of all of my life's work, all my case studies, everything I've done, and someday they'll end up on eBay." And I'm like, ooh, maybe he posts them on eBay. 1:29:35 Maybe I can track some of them down because he's like super dead now, and I don't know what happened. Mm. And later in the book, it comes out. 1:29:42 He says, "Ultimately, I've retired now, and I decided I was gonna give them all to Berkeley College, but they didn't want them. So I decided to donate all my work to this college." Mm. That college is in Orlando. 1:29:54 That information is available for free at any time. I'll be going there to study- Nice... soon on this topic. 1:30:02 It's just like that's just one of the little things that tells me you're right where you're supposed to be, um, in, in Orlando for this season. It's only a season. I won't be here forever. Right. 1:30:12 I'm a rolling stone, you know? So each, each moment, each chapter calls for something else. Love that. That's why I don't have cats or dogs, by the way, because- Aw... I'm still... 1:30:22 So far, so far, so far, uh, because I'm- I feel like you're a cat person. You'd get a cat, right? Or would you get a dog? Well- Cat or dog... I plead the fifth on this podcast. As founder of Dreamcat, I plead the fifth. 1:30:33 Well, you- We'll have to skip that question. Yeah, obviously we're gonna get a cat. That, that's no question there. Yeah, obvious, obvious. Obvious. We will not debate this. [laughs] Okay. Fair enough. Fair enough. 1:30:41 Or maybe I'd get both. Fair enough. Yeah. You know, cats and dogs, you know? Maybe a little- Maybe just cats. Okay. Um, I plead the fifth. I plead the fifth. Okay. Uh- Back to principles. All right. Sorry, sorry. 1:30:51 Um, so- Any more principles that you show up to keep you on track? There we go. Yes. So, so, so, uh, being everything within. Okay, the principles. Yeah. Uh, my habits. Mm-hmm. The things that shape me, right? Habits. 1:31:01 So kinda like my routine. Yes. So, uh, I love a good morning routine. Have you ever heard of the Miracle Morning by Hal Elrod? I have. I have. You have? Okay. Yes. 1:31:13 I used it when I was working for that boss, and a lot of good things were happening. Yeah. And so I brought a lot of those principles back as I started to kinda build myself back up, which took a little while. Mm-hmm. 1:31:23 And I re-implemented a custom version of it. Okay. So the, it's, the, the Miracle Morning is basically, it's a, it's an acronym. Um, it is... I have it in the Telegram. Let me, let me read it to you real quick. Sure. 1:31:36 So it's about writing. It's about reading. It's about meditating and prayer. Mm-hmm. It's about exercise. Mm-hmm. It is about journaling and gratitude. Right. Basically, all of those things, and it's an autopilot thing. 1:31:48 So look, I'll even show it to the screen. Let's see if we can see it. Uh, yes. Yes. Uh, it's a little bit of a struggle there. Dream, exes, affirmations. There we go. Silent scribing. Okay, okay. 1:31:59 I was gonna say- No, SAVERS... affirmations is a big one. SAVERS is what it called. S-A-V-E-R-S, which means silence- SAVERS... affirmations, visualization, exercise, reading, and scribing. Mm. 1:32:09 So that is meditation or prayer for silence. I do about, uh, 10 to 12, 10 to 15 minutes of that. Each morning, outside, shoes off- Interesting... connect to the earth. That's a real thing. Oh, grounding. Grounding. Yeah. 1:32:21 Yes. Yes, I've heard of this. Mm-hmm. Many benefits. Yes. Very real. Not, uh, you know, random conspiracy thing. Mm. Affirmations. Affirmations are huge. Okay. You brainwash yourself. Yes. This is my number one, 1:32:35 this is what I tell people. Affirma- Mm... uh, brainwashing and belief are two of the most important characteristics of my whole character, my whole build-up, my whole mindset. Mm. 1:32:46 The way you brainwash yourself is through repetition that is emotionally charged. Emotions is a very deep variable, so it can't be words that mean nothing. You say 'em over and over, they don't have as big of effect. 1:32:59 When they're emotionally charged and you can channel, I don't know, fear of missing out, deep passion and excitement and euphoria with them, it makes them more powerful. I do this by speaking to myself. Okay? 1:33:12 I, I, I write out something about my dream in a I am tense. I am is possession, right? You, if you do your affirmations, you want them to be I am. 1:33:21 You speak your dream, not as if it's off in the distance, as if you're living it today. Mm. Okay? That's what you gotta do. So not like, "One day I'll probably be a millionaire." 1:33:31 No, it's like, "I am a millionaire," but more descriptive than that. Okay. And, um, I read them. First of all, I wrote them down at one point. I read them. That's one contact point, my eyes. 1:33:44 So you're involving all your senses. You wanna involve as many senses as you can to deepen the strength of this process, of brainwashing. I read it, then I speak it out loud. So now I'm, I'm thi- I'm reading it, my eyes. 1:33:59 I'm, I'm processing it. I'm thinking about it. Then I am speaking and when I speak the words, uh, abracadabra means as I speak, I create, in Latin. Okay? Power in words. Words are alive. Words are power. 1:34:15 They have energy. They have frequency. They are self-fulfilling prophecies. When I speak these words, another loop happens, 'cause then I hear 'em again. Right? I speak 'em and then I hear 'em. 1:34:25 So I'm, I'm running this whole loop through with my affirmations. Another form I take in for the brainwashing is visual. I used to do a speech on the power of a vision wall, 3.5 reasons why you need a vision wall. 1:34:37 Everything I put on my vision wall comes true. Mm. 1:34:40 All of my biggest dreams, I got a whole fricking stack of old vision wall dreams that have already come true, that have been on the papers, and I have a, about an eight foot, eight by, I don't know, four feet in my, in my room, um, of all my dreams in visual form. 1:34:58 I look at them consciously. Sometimes I think about one and I imagine in my mind, I visualize the dream in my mind. Mm. But sometimes when I'm just walking through, my subconscious, I'm still seeing the images. 1:35:12 And this is the thing, is even if you're not thinking about it and you're giving it no thought, what we see or what we hear without any effort still leaks in over time. 1:35:21 This is how the elite brainwash the human population to be consumers or whatever, through repetition, emotion. And man, I saw that commercial 60 times. I, I have a craving for Chipotle. No you don't. 1:35:34 You saw the ten second ad every single time you went on YouTube, and you were brainwashed to go to Chipotle. You were inundated. Mm. Yeah? So that, affirmations and the visuali- next is visualization, three. Mm-hmm. 1:35:48 So I make miniature movies in my head of the dream. But again, I used to do this for all of 'em. What I'm doing right now is a chief aim. 1:35:56 So there's one goal that I'm focused on, and I do this not just in the morning, I do it multiple times a day. 1:36:01 And that's what we taught last night, which was the law of assumption, six step formula, and basically you make a, you take a 15 second clip, a, a movie of, that you've created in your own mind, of yourself in present tense, making your dream come true, imagining all the feelings that you'll have in this moment. 1:36:21 You're getting congratulated, the money's in the bank, you're looking at your bank statement, whatever it is for you, you live it. 1:36:27 And you repeat this in the morning, you repeat this at night right before bed, and you try to fall asleep on the loop so it enters into your dream state. 1:36:36 Three days ago, I dreamed about my dream coming true, and I felt the emotion. Amazing brainwashing. Mm. And you do it throughout the day randomly a couple times. Visualization. Four is exercise. So this is how I cheat. 1:36:47 I do all six of those steps minus exercise, and I take one hour, and then I do exercise independently. So it's maybe like 45 minutes. So my whole shtick is like an hour 45, which is more than most people, right? 1:37:01 But that's okay. If this is you, he says you can do this whole thing 30 to 60 minutes. You can do pushups for five and 10 minutes. Burpees, jumping jacks. You don't need to do an hour and 45. 1:37:11 You can do two minutes of meditation. It all, you'd be surprised how it adds up. Five is reading. I read on three topics. Spiritual- Mm... which I'm working on, spiritual and my awakening, different things on that. 1:37:24 Um, the consciousness of water, for example. That is an interesting one. Mm. Water is alive. Water has consciousness. Water has memory. Like the movie Frozen says, Olaf says, that's actually true. Yes. 1:37:35 Water does have memory. Um, our bodies are majority water, so you can, uh, tap into a lot through your body by aligning with water in your own body. I'm on some cra- I'm, I'm deep. I got a nice knowledge base. 1:37:50 I love this. I'm on a lot of stuff. Yeah. So I read on, I read on stuff like that. I read on traditional self-help. Right now we're reading Truthful Living, which is a Napoleon Hill book. 1:38:01 It's principles of life, imagination, you know, how to be a persuasive speaker, self-help stuff. And then the other one I read about is books that relate to my big, big dream. 1:38:10 So I'm, I don't talk about that part, but [clears throat] that's a little bit about the mystery. 1:38:15 And so I'm becoming an expert on that topic and learning about the industry and all the people and all the things I need to do. And so it's threefold. I kind of split it up. And then what's last? 1:38:27 Journaling, scribing, gratitude or goals. Mm. Some people say write out your dreams over and over each day. I don't do that. Um, I do gratitude. So I usually do five minutes of gratitude. 1:38:36 I, I write 10 things I'm grateful for. This is my happiness hack. People say, "Man, why are you so positive? Why are you so happy?" One, I recognized all the bad stuff that happened to me, and it gave me perspective. Mm. 1:38:48 I can reflect on, damn, it's a gift just to be able to work out today, 'cause when I had that concussion, I couldn't work out for six months. Of course. That must have been horrible. So you never, you've never walked it. 1:38:58 You've never lost to know how great it is. Yeah. Right? And so that is what makes me high on life, and why when the markets are down, hey, my bags are down too, guys. My bags are still... 1:39:08 Crypto, if you're in crypto, your bags might be down 80% or something. Mine are right down there with you. But- [laughs]... I'm a believer. I'm a long-term person. I believe in the future, right? Always. Always, man. 1:39:19 And I didn't, I didn't invest more than I could afford to lose, so I can sit on it. So yeah. Yeah. That's, that's, that's what builds me. Um, that's my core routine. I love it. And then I'll listen to, to podcasts. 1:39:30 We play motivation in the VC. That's good. There's other little components that build me up. Tweets that are positive that I like to retweet. So brainwash, brainwash, brainwash. Always. You always gotta- Intensive... 1:39:41 mm, you always gotta brainwash yourself. And I know brainwash has been almost, like, a negative term for a lot of people- Right... when you say that. I love the term. Yeah. 1:39:50 I know, and I know you love the term, and it's like, it's something that we... that, that's not negative, right? It can be positive as well. 1:39:57 And I think coming to terms with that and, and sharing that with people, "Hey, I'm learning these techniques. I'm learning how to be a, a, a hypnotist because I want to brainwash myself to be more positive." Mm. 1:40:12 And you can do it too. And it's not that hard. Yes. Anyone can do it. Absolutely. That's right. That's right. It's a learned skill, right? So it's like we're using these skills in our, in our skill stack, so to speak. 1:40:25 A term from Scott Adams. Mm. Freaking love that guy. 1:40:27 And so building a, um, successful skill te- skill stack that you can implement and share and give value to the people that you're connecting with along your journey that we call life, right? 1:40:42 And it's one of the biggest reasons I decided to relaunch, or, or do a podcast and do it under Crypto Fam Radio, which like I told you before, has nothing to do with crypto at all, but it has everything to do with the people that I'm meeting along my journey. 1:40:57 Because I'm a firm believer you are the hero in your own story, right? [laughs] So you need to learn how to show up for yourself. That... I'm coming back to self again. And learning that, okay, I am a hero. 1:41:11 What do I desire? [laughs] Okay? And it's like finding these little nuggets, the, this, these, like, little clues to find yourself a- and dig a little deeper. 1:41:21 And I'm a big believer in, you know, Zach, we met for a reason. I've seen you many times in spaces, but for you to show up on our Caturday space finally. [laughs] Had to, bro. Yes. No, you're, you're persistent. 1:41:32 That's the thing about- I can... That's the thing. That's the thing about good marketing though, right? Consistency, right? Absolutely. Repetition. You know how many times I've done that Caturday space, bro? 1:41:41 [laughs] I... Here's the thing. Here's what's good for people to know. I did it out of more, um... It was an honor to be there. Aww. But I did it more out of respect to your- Mm... 1:41:50 consistency, not because I didn't wanna be there or I didn't see the value. Mm. Because I just wasn't doing spaces in this season, right? Mm. I wasn't doing podcasts either. 1:41:59 So it's not that I was avoiding it, but it's all- Mm. That's another thing people should know. You... in your mind, you could say, "Man, I asked all these people and they all rejected me." But it's all about- Right... 1:42:07 timing as well. True. I wasn't doing any spaces in this season. True. And so that was, that was the rest. Man, this... Man, I am... S- sometimes you fight to get the chance to speak. 1:42:16 If someone's inviting you for a Caturday- Dude, seriously. [laughs]... that's aligned, come on. And then you happen to be, you know, 111 and all this and like- Yeah. It's just- That was a surprise... 1:42:27 synchronicity, right? I wanna come back to synchronicity like you were saying earlier. 1:42:31 And it's like, I feel like you're gonna meet these incredible people along your journey as a hero, but it's like you have to start as the main character in your own story to get to where you want to go to meet these really cool people that are also heroes in their own stories. 1:42:46 And then you can collaborate. 1:42:48 And I wanna talk to you a little more about entrepreneurship and collaboration, because I feel like this is really, really important that we all need to learn and to digest, because I'm a big believer your network is your net worth. 1:42:59 Mm-hmm. But I hate that term in the same, in the same light. You n- you know? There's like pros and cons to that. But I'm a big believer connecting with the right people will get you where you want to go in life. Yeah. 1:43:09 And I feel like we met for a reason, right? And we're having this discourse for a reason. Not even just for the podcast. I even feel like after this podcast we're gonna do great things together, Zach. 1:43:19 I already know this, you know? I'm a builder, man. I- Like, we have synergies. So I'm here. I'm still here, right? [laughs] You wouldn't, you wouldn't have found me at ETHDenver. 1:43:26 I, I may not be at the crypto events anytime soon, but I am here- Yeah... to build in crypto for the long term. Damn. And if you're gonna build Crypto Fam, uh, Radio empire- I am. I have a trial run... 1:43:35 then hey, here we are at the small. [laughs] And when we're bigger, it's like, "Oh, check out my buddy here," right? Do the... So yeah. 1:43:41 And, and, and that's the thing too about even what I'm trying to do with Crypto Fam Radio Media and the network, cryptofam.net, making this a full-out directory of actual big people that want to bring big ideas, big dreams together. 1:43:57 Mm. You see what I'm saying? Mm. And it's like this whole, like, umbrella of welcoming people through education, through empowerment, through inspiring people that have never even heard about crypto, right? Yeah. 1:44:10 And trying to bring them together to understand, hey, this is... it's really, crypto's about community. 1:44:16 It's not really even about making money, because at the end of the day, your friends, the people you connect with online, you guys can go far. You guys can go long. We're gonna go the distance. I already know that, Zach. 1:44:26 It's because- Do it. Okay, are you messing with me?... we are in sync here. Are you messing with me? No, bro. No, bro. I'm not, bro. How are you gonna talk about- It's so real... 1:44:31 the hero's journey and then say going the distance? You know my personal brand logo is, is modeled after Hercules' lightning bolt because that's my favorite- I watched that movie. I loved it... that's my favorite-... 1:44:41 superhero Same. Same. I freaking love that movie 'Cause I am the, I am Hercules- Yes, you are... the underdog- You are... going the distance to make my dream come true You are. In your story, you're Hercules. 1:44:50 In my story, I'm Hercules. Dude, we're g- we're going Hercules together. [laughs] That's cool. That's cool. I thought, like, somehow you researched or something, you know about, like- No, bro... 1:44:57 Hercules is- This is how much I think I know, bro. H- Hank Hercules is one of my favorites, bro. Hell, yeah I love that story. What a legend. Dude, that Disney movie's probably one of my faves, honestly. Mine, too. 1:45:06 Mine, too. Seriously. I love that. But tell me more about how you find these people, I guess, within your own hero's journey. All right, going back to my question. Sorry, because I hate having- No, no... 1:45:16 to ramble and- Dude, ramble away, bro. It, uh, hopefully, you know, whoever listens in- Ooh, la-da... that's the beauty of it is it's- Yeah... it's... If it was so scripted, it might get kinda boring. Oh, so boring... 1:45:26 but you never know the twists and turns, where you can go and what you can talk about, and I think we're having- Mm-hmm... a great conversation. You know? It's, we are improv... I don't think we're bothering anybody. So. 1:45:32 It's all improv. Yeah. Love it. [laughs] So take it away. Like, how do you find these meaningful connections along your journey of entrepreneurship? That's the question. I would say 1:45:45 oftentimes for me, they've been attracted. Mm. So that's my big thing. I posted something the other day. I love the term chase your dream. Mm-hmm. I, I'm gonna still say it. I like to say it. 1:45:56 Chase your dream, it sounds good. I like it. I like it. But so many people are, are chasing, are hunting. If you're shilling your project, you're going to every single big influencer and saying, "Buy this." Mm-hmm. 1:46:07 "Buy this." But they never- Oh... even reply to you. They don't care. Yeah. Why have they captured your energy? Because they have become. They have attracted. Mm. They have built the audience or built the attention. 1:46:18 Attention is energy. Attention is economy. And if you can, instead of thinking, "Man, I need to grind to death," instead I look at, how can I become? 1:46:27 How can I become the man, the cat, the, the founder, the educator, the visionary, the dreamer who can become a magnet for people who think the same? So you talk about community building. You wanna... 1:46:41 There is a tribe out there for everyone. We talked about Pokemon before. Someone's dream is to talk about Pokemon 24/7, and their current friends and family say, "Grow up. Get a job. Pokemon was... You're a kid." Right. 1:46:54 They should make an entire new account, start from zero. The way the algorithms work now is they connect you to like-minded people. Mm-hmm. 1:47:01 And they post about Pokemon, and they will find a thousand people who love their cards, like every post, comment about how cool they are, and that's what I understand about dreamers. Mm. 1:47:12 So tying it all together, you said, "Man, what keeps you going after two years?" Mm. I know I've never flipped the switch. We're improving. We're building the pieces. 1:47:19 We're setting the stage, and I know once I go out there and do massive action and I never quit and I compound and I keep it going, there will be a catalyst. I like to say it only takes one. 1:47:32 Fail 999 times, it doesn't matter, nobody cares, because when you find the one, you're the hero, you're the legend. How'd you do it? I always knew you could do it. Yada, yada, ya. Sure you did. You never liked my posts. 1:47:45 You were praying on my downfall. You didn't think I could win. But I knew because I did- [laughs]... the inner work. All right? [laughs] So- Sometimes the algorithm doesn't even show you, too, you know? Yeah. 1:47:57 Especially when you're building, so focused on yourself, it's so hard to, like, open the blinds and see what everyone else is doing, you know? Yes. So, like, that's a problem right now. Mm. 1:48:07 Um, that's why I just made new accounts. Not on X. X is still good, but on- Mm-hmm... uh, Instagram and TikTok I made brand-new accounts. I had my Instagram for, like, nine years. Painful. Wow. 1:48:15 I got some big followers on there, big influence people. Yeah. Painful because the algorithm's changed. Right. Like, your own people don't see it. Right. But if you attract and you become this person- Mm-hmm... 1:48:28 everyone who I've met, like, I just have to think of the people. Like, specifically, most of them either I've attracted or they attracted me. I'll, I'll share a few quick stories- Sure... to pinpoint them. Yeah. Wow. 1:48:38 How they changed my life, each, each person. So crypto, Kevin Cage. My tweets about abundance and, and living the good life- Mm-hmm... attracted him to introduce me to crypto. 1:48:48 Um, when I was, I was in LA Fitness in my old home in Illinois, and I was doing that hat business and I was done. I was selling my final inventory. I went to the gym on a Friday to sell all these hats. 1:49:01 A guy came up to me, he's like, "Dude, it's Friday. You could be partying. What are you doing here?" "Selling hats." Like, "It's weird, you know? I love your hustle. Respect." Mm. We connected. 1:49:09 Uh, I ended up partnering with him in business- Mm... through that exchange, and it led me to the next thing, which also got me into personal development. Network marketing is something I did for a time, right? Love it. 1:49:19 Health and wellness. New, new, uh, health and wellness. Love it. Um, there's another buddy who I met. I did a, I went on Jeffrey Gitomer's show. He heard that. He reached out to me. We became friends. 1:49:33 He worked for a guru. I worked for a guru. We started calling each other and talking about success. Mm. So I can think... And then before then is, like, high school, right? 1:49:41 Like, high school, college, you meet friends where you go. You meet friends at the bar. You, you... We like basketball, you like basketball. 1:49:46 But i- in the later parts of my journey, it's really been from either my self creation, just being a content creator. I also went, um, on the streets. 1:49:56 So I did these, these campaigns where I would make, like, the cardboard signs, and I did different inspirational messages about dreams. Oh, wonderful. And I also did a 40-something day campaign to reach Tony Robbins. 1:50:09 So, like, I promoted Tony Robbins' book on these signs and I went on airplanes with it and I, you know, went to New York and, and cities and I made videos and wore a GoPro. I've done all this massive action stuff, bro. 1:50:20 Like, this is- That's-... part of my journey... incredible. Did you, did you see Tony? Did you meet Tony? He rejected me. Um, but it's a part of my journey. I can understand. 1:50:30 So I can tell that story in a bit if you want, but, um- Yeah. That, that's interesting. Yeah. But, uh, I did these signs and so, like- Yeah... I put myself in position to meet people. I held up signs that said- Yeah... 1:50:41 something like, you know, um, I don't know, what's your dream was the main one. Um, things that make people think. Provocative thoughts. So, like, are you dreaming or are you just pretending? 1:50:51 Like, I can't remember them at the moment. Sure. I have some of them on my website, but, um- No problem That's how I met a lot of like-minded people. Mm. A lot of people ignored me, but some stopped and said, "Whoa." 1:51:00 [laughs] A girl, matter of fact, on the first day I did the Tony Robbins mission- Yeah... day one, 20 minutes in, synchronicity by the way, sign. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. 1:51:08 First person I meet, "What are you doing promoting Tony Robbins? We're gonna make you a star. I'm gonna put you on my TikTok right now. Tony Robbins, meet this guy. Man, what are you doing? 1:51:18 Um, let's meet up for coffee," blah, blah, blah. "I have a book." She said, "I wanna buy some of your books." She invited me somewhere. She bought 10 of my books. Wow. I made 200 bucks just from that first new action. 1:51:28 Yeah. And she set up a bunch of people at a restaurant and gave them all my book- Mm... and tried to pitch me on her, like, managing me basically. And she was like, "I wanna manage you," da, da, da, da, da. 1:51:38 And I didn't do it. Mm. But how do you, how do you meet people? How do you... I'm just telling you the story. I'm just telling you what you... You put yourself out there in a position- You put it out there, yeah... 1:51:47 and that's how I've met most people. Makes sense. That's- It doesn't necessarily, like, fly into my lap. Sometimes there's a friend who introduces you to a friend occasionally. Mm-hmm. But that's been my experience. 1:51:59 Interesting. So laws of attraction, just putting yourself out there. Really... and then just, like- Frequency. Frequency. What energy are you projecting? Frequency. 1:52:06 Anyone who's putting out negative, who's talking about, "Man, life sucks. Oh, let me tell you about on Facebook how I just lost my job and everything's terrible," blocked. Blocked, deleted. Yeah. 1:52:15 I'm sorry, respect, but I have no room for that energy. Wow. And what they're gonna find their life is more negative people all losing their jobs, always getting fired, always getting cheated on. It's, it's- Mm... 1:52:27 whatever you look for is what you are going to attract. It's simply a mirror. So if everything's within, right? That's what we understand. 1:52:34 I'm in this apartment right now, and everything I'm looking at in my real world is a reflection of my inner thoughts, beliefs, and choices. Mm. And the thing with time is time is delayed on Earth here, okay? 1:52:48 Uh, I can't magically manifest an ice cream cone. It takes time. Yeah. I gotta think about it, go buy one, drive there and get it, okay? So if I wanna change this reality and make- Yeah... 1:52:58 this apartment a mansion that's, that's poolside- Mm-hmm... 1:53:01 I have to first believe, feel, and live in that moment, act as if, move as if with confidence for a long period of time without seeing a result, and not let my current visual reality discourage me from quitting. 1:53:18 "Oh, I wanna be living in a mansion, but all I have is this apartment," right? Uh, forget it. That's the game. Mm. Your, everything within, the frequency, this aligns you, attracts, directs you to a synchronicity. 1:53:30 Hey, something just says go left instead of right, then you meet the guy who introduces you to the thing, see? It's all, like, in a way, it sort of is magical in a way, you know? It is. It is. 1:53:41 But at the same time, it takes work. Not everyone's gonna do that. Not everyone's gonna put themselves out there, you know? Maybe they don't want what they say they do. Maybe they're just hopeful- Maybe... 1:53:51 wishful, and happy with hanging out, having a good time. Maybe. You can still have a good life and go to the zoo and have friends and lots of good stuff, you know? That's, yeah. Yeah, that's a byproduct, sure. 1:54:02 But at the end of the day, if you really want it, you gotta go get it. Oh. That's the thing. I mean, that's to the dreamer. I guess we should assume everyone listening is a dreamer. If you're listening- Right... 1:54:10 you know, hey, go to the zoo, but also, like, this is for the dreamers. If you're, if you got a dream- Yes... I mean, that's the message I'm giving at least. Yeah. Mm-hmm. 1:54:18 You gotta do what you're talk- You gotta do the work. You gotta seek it out. Of course. You gotta... It's not just falling in your lap. No. And that's what most people hope in this crypto space, right? Mm. 1:54:26 "Oh, someone's gonna build me this next billion dollar project. I'm just gonna buy it and do nothing." There's a problem there. The problem is if they actually get rich on it and it blows up, 1:54:38 they are going to eventually lose the money- Mm-hmm... just like the lottery winners who go broke after seven years, majority. Why do they go broke? 1:54:47 Why does this, why, why will the, the degen who makes a big bag in crypto go broke? Because they never change their identity. Mm. The inner work is important. 1:54:57 If you wanna have a lot of money and you've never had any, you have to have the identity and the self-worth that, "I deserve to have a million dollars. I don't need to, to blow it. It's normal for me. 1:55:06 It's a part of my story. It's who I am. I can handle it. I can handle much, much more. I am the man who is worth this." 1:55:13 And people self-sabotage because the identity doesn't match the reality, and this is an upside and downside to crypto, is that it, it breaks down the traditional barriers. 1:55:24 If you grinded in a sales and became a sales expert and made a million that way, the identity would match. 1:55:31 But if it just comes overnight when you're saying swear words and just posting stuff on Twitter, you know, being a complete degen, then damn, it's like, maybe that's why, I don't know, people are so crazy here on, on the app. 1:55:44 Uh, I don't know. Yeah, it's, yeah. [laughs] Maybe. I, I, it, it's basically the, the town hall, right? 1:55:50 It's, it's the, the, um, a way that you can connect with others, but you just, you don't know what you're gonna get when you show up to the town hall, right? Yeah. Like, everyone has their own stories, right? 1:56:01 And, and they all wanna project their own stories. They're all trying to brainwash the other person to believing their stories, to getting along, to being like, "Oh, you know, I got here. This is, this is what I did." 1:56:12 But at, at the, but at the end of the day, you have to keep true to yourself, right? You have to be, from what I've experienced, you have to be authentic, right? Best way. Find your tribe, right? Exactly. You know? 1:56:24 And it, and it's more than that, just finding your tribe. It's, it's finding your truth, you know? Yeah. And a lot of people, I feel they haven't found their truth, that they haven't really spent time in that inner self. 1:56:35 Inner work. That inner development- Yeah... right? Inner self. And so when you found your truth, you found your authentic voice, and this is why I tell people, "Request the mic." 1:56:45 Even if you don't know, that's the first thing I do. 1:56:47 Well, I, I listen in to make sure I, I like the space, what they're sharing, whatever, if I wanna actually talk to the people, but then I'm always requesting that mic Because I want to speak because I have something of value to add to the space that I know because I've done my assessment, I've done my DYOR now. 1:57:05 I know usually in the first 10 seconds, you can kinda get a read on if the space is going more positive or negative, right? Yeah. So it's like, oh, a bunch of complainers, a bunch of excuse makers, blah blah blah. 1:57:15 It's a cabal I don't wanna be a part of. [laughs] Or it's like, oh, wow, they're actually trying to support other communities. They actually wanna uplift their, you know, whatever project there. It's not vaporware. 1:57:23 It's some type of utility, something that I, I resonate with, blah blah blah, right? So it's like, it's like at the end of the day, you just really have to figure out yourself. 1:57:34 You have to stay true, stay authentic, and you have to know what you want, and then people will come, right? They, they will come. It's just you have to keep speaking your truth. Right. 1:57:48 And I've learned this basically since last summer, even two years ago when I started space hosting back in twen- late 2022, you know, early 2023 with, with the Croganl Cats. That was my first ever- Oh, no way... 1:58:00 OG communi- Yeah, on Cronos. Yeah. Oh. The Croganl Cats. Okay, I, I think I actually think we did- You were familiar with them... establish this a while back, the one time we met, but I- Hmm... 1:58:08 w- when I made the whole Cat Collective, Croganl was a part of that for a while. Um- Really? Yeah, yeah. That like we, I talked to a few of their... I know like two- Really?... of the people. Which ones? 1:58:17 I don't remember their names off... One of the guys, like, maybe like he's from a, a n- a different country. He has like a heavy accent. Maybe that makes you know who it is. Oh, Sidral. Yeah, actually that is. 1:58:26 Is that Sidral? Yeah, yeah. Yeah. We still talk. Yeah. We're still in the same Discord together. Cool. I wouldn't say like we're best friends, but- Oh, no... had him on a space, DM'd. Yes. Talked about cats. So yeah. 1:58:34 Yeah. Cool. Bro, he's... Yeah. I need to follow up with that guy. But yeah, he, um... Yeah, we go way back. Um, there were some guys from Canada, Toronto area, that were on the team that decided to leave. 1:58:46 There was this one guy in California that was on the team. He left. But anyway- Oh, man... basically nobody... Yeah, it sucks that that project went down- The ghost... because I was really... 1:58:54 Like, it was a really great community when they first started. They had a token, then it was an NFT project, then they had trading cards. They had a game, bro. Yeah, they had so many products. They had a fucking game. 1:59:03 They had so many cool things- Team boards... in the work. Yeah. Nobody wanted to space host, so I decided to space host, right? Oh, wow. That's how I got involved. 1:59:10 I was part of the team space hosting, and then from there, uh, uh, I decided to try to help all of Crowfam. That was the hashtag Crowfam, right? And try to run a 24/7 Crowfam radio show on Spaces. Hmm. 1:59:22 That was how Crypto Fam Radio basically came to be. Kinda little, my origin story, right? Ah. My lore, right? So- Cool... just did, did the rebrand early last year, became Crypto. We wanna be inclusive, not exclusive. 1:59:34 Embrace all the blockchains, blah, blah, blah. So it's like coming to terms with a lot of different types of people. Coming back to authenticity though, what I'm saying is, like, you have to find this. 1:59:45 Not everyone, not everyone is born with this authentic voice, is what I'm saying. And it's like I feel like it's taken you years, a- and most people it does. 1:59:55 You know, you're, you're not gonna be an, an amazing communicator right from, you know, out of your mom's womb, obviously, right? It takes work. It takes discipline. It's a skill. It's a learned skill. 2:00:04 Not everyone can do what we can do, Zach. I, I've learned this, too, because I have so many people, you know, requesting, "Hey, come co-host. Be a space." They'll do this. 2:00:13 I'm like, "Dude, I gotta start charging eventually." [laughs] Like, what the hell? [laughs] Like, it's ridiculous, bro. But it's like coming to terms with your authentic voice. 2:00:21 Um, Zach, where did you find this authentic voice? Man. How did you build it? Mm-hmm. 2:00:26 And how, and what would you recommend for people to also try to find their authentic voice when they're trying to build their communication skills? 2:00:35 Because, you know, this is a learned skill, and everyone wants to achieve it. Everyone wants what we have, Zach. You know that. Hey, well, you're making me feel good. They all want what we got. We got it. Let's go. 2:00:45 [laughs] We do. So like how did you get there? How did you get there? Oratory communication is a great skill. It, it absolutely is. Awesome. And some people have the power of written word. Mm-hmm. 2:00:53 You know, a lot of different skills. Uh, but yeah, it's, it's useful, and it's, um, it's powerful. Yeah. Impact. Yeah. Um, well, first of all, I am... 2:01:01 It's a little bit cliche, but I kinda think you're always a pretender until- Mm... you actually do it. So when you first start, just be okay with it sucking, right? 2:01:12 Like, there's people who I know in my community who are shy. We got 'em up on the mic, and they stuttered a few times. They stammered, but we let them know, "Hey, man, this is a open environment. 2:01:20 Dude, we're not judging you. I remember the first time my legs were shaking, my voice was trembling. Dude- Mm... you're all good." And builds, builds, builds. And so, um, for me, yeah, fake it till you make it. 2:01:32 I failed speech class in college. I got an F, okay? [laughs] And then I ended up speaking on stage, like, a couple years later. Wow. That's amazing. So it's, it's- Dude... 2:01:43 um, it really, it comes from putting yourselves in, in, um, positions to practice this. 2:01:50 So, like, if we're just talking about speaking and someone wants to be a better speaker, gosh dang, X is incredible, because no one can see your face. Right. Like, this is harder, right? Some- not, not for me and you. 2:01:59 We're, we're- Right... you know- We're professionals. We got it down... I'm, I'm, I'm not fearful at all. We do it all the time. I can sneeze this giant booger right now. I don't care. Yeah. Right? There you go. 2:02:07 Like, I'm, I'm confident in myself. Yeah, I love it. Uh, you are, too, so this is easy, but- Mm-hmm... I say, guys, X is the easiest place, because first of all, no one can see your, your face. Mm-hmm. 2:02:17 It's just your voice. You can click the button. You can hang up at any time. If you get super nervous, just press end and leave. Yeah. "Oh, it was a glitch. It, it dropped." Um- Got wrecked. 2:02:27 [laughs] When you're using a... Most people aren't doxxed, so, like- Mm... no one knows who you are. Speak your truth. So actually, X is a great way to learn and develop. X Spaces actually- Mm. 2:02:38 Um, but for me, yeah, it was just, I don't know, different things put me in different positions. Like, the main thing was I got into that network marketing- Mm... and one of our marketing tools was Facebook Lives. Ah. 2:02:50 I had a very, I had a lower tone. I had eyes that were not very intimate with the camera. I was kinda just like, "Yeah, you know." I, I said the things, but my tonality, my enthusiasm. Notice all the hand movements I do. 2:03:03 That's learned as well, right? Mm-hmm. Mm. I'm very expressive. That is something you learn as a speaker and it amplifies your message. 2:03:09 It makes you better to watch instead of, you know, "Yeah, I'm really enjoying this conversation with you fam," and- [laughs]... you know, like standing still, it's, it's boring. It's, it's- So boring. 2:03:18 So- Yeah, I got you... you learn along the way. Me? Yeah. I learned through the fire of self-experience almost- Mm. I did go to college, I did get the degree, but I almost didn't even need it. Um- Mm... 2:03:29 most of my experience was built from my own endeavors of exploration. Like I said, I did the, I did the GoPros, I made videos. I just did it, you know? 2:03:39 I, I did Facebook Lives before that, is just a stacked on bui- built thing. I will say network marketing was a super big building block for me. Mm. Going back in time, I wouldn't do it financially. 2:03:51 It doesn't make sense, but building as a person, fantastic, because not only did, um, we have to do, like, Facebook Lives as marketing, but we also did presentations, right? So you'd invite some of your friends over. 2:04:04 My first speech was in my college apartment at Illinois State, and I stood in front of the TV and my buddies were on the couch. These are buddies who I knew very, very well. 2:04:16 My roommates, my friends, there's nothing to worry about. And even then, got choked up, got super nervous. There's three, four people, they're right in front of me. That was in college, man. And- Yeah... 2:04:28 you just had to break that ice, and it's built- Yeah... you gotta rip off the Band-Aid if speaking's something you wanna do. Yeah. Or for anything. 2:04:34 If you wanna, just tell yourself be okay with the fact that you're gonna suck at whatever you start at. 2:04:40 You're gonna suck and you're gonna try, but as long as you commit to seeking knowledge on how you can get better, man, that speech, that was embarrassing. 2:04:46 Let me listen to five podcasts about how to become a great speaker, and let me, it's gonna take me three times to really lock in this knowledge, and then let me apply it. That's the game. That's the game. 2:04:56 The, the trials and fire of life. Throw yourself out there. Learn. Uh, w- put your parachute on as you fall out of the sky, right? You jump out of the airplane without the parachute. You put it on the way down. 2:05:07 That's, that's the game, I'd say. [laughs] That's scary for a lot of people, though. How do they get over that hump, though? It's scary. Yeah. Okay, that's the thing. It's going to be. Yeah. There will always be fear. 2:05:16 Right. Always. Always. But- Especially public speaking. Think about it. Yeah, it's one of the scariest things in the world... probably one of the number one fears. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, it's, it is. Yeah. 2:05:23 It absolutely is. But man, becoming a, a deeper thinker- Mm... this is where you can superficially hack life. Mm. 2:05:34 So to give you insights, my spiritual journey has given me deeper insights on how to play this life and my confidence. If I see this as just sorta some kinda game, right? 2:05:45 I'm just here to, to learn as a soul and, you know, whatever, I already know what's gonna happen, then I guess I should just kinda go full tilt and YOLO it a little bit. 2:05:54 Not, not negatively, but for whatever I wanna make happen. Like, dream as big as I want because it's just a big game. Like, I, it's helped me. It's helped me in that way. So- Mm... 2:06:06 um, that's helped me to be more free-flowing, take more risks. Um, yeah, and I think if people, um... Yeah, I kinda, I kinda lost my train of thought. Concussion, uh- No, you're good. You're good. It, it happens. 2:06:21 I, I, I think, and, and- I lose my train, but- No, no, you're totally good, man. 2:06:25 Um, what, what I was gonna say to kinda just, um, end, end with, um, end, end with that train of thought was, like, don't take your, don't take yourself so seriously. Yeah. 2:06:34 Because we think other people are thinking about us, but the truth is most people are too busy thinking about themselves, right? Like, you think early on in high school like, "Oh, man, they're looking at me. 2:06:44 They're checking out my outfit." And everybody was like, high school didn't even matter. It was a tiny little step in the journey. It's way gone. If I ha- I, oh, I, I had a bad acne in high school, actually, right? 2:06:54 And so I was like- Right. Same... "Oh, man, I got this big old white head. Yeah. Everyone's thinking I'm a loser." Right. "I'm never gonna overcome this." Bro, it's, it's over. Doesn't matter. 2:07:03 Your skin clears up, you, you, you, you move on. So once- Yeah... you stop w- the big thing that holds back that cause a lot of fear is your, uh, concern about what other people's opinion are of you. Mm. 2:07:17 So in my journey in self inner, inner development- Yeah... I had to get to a point where I stopped caring. 2:07:24 So when I came out and said the things, "I'm gonna chase my dreams," dude, you were the class clown in high school. Dude, you, you, you weren't this, you weren't this leader. You, you used to goof off. 2:07:34 You used to be in the dean's office. You're not this person. Who do you think you are? That's why your biggest supporters are strangers, because they know you for who you are today, not your history, right? Mm. 2:07:44 And, and I let that go at different stages, and some of those people filtered out based on the frequency, right? Mm-hmm. When COVID came up, I started talking about controversial things. 2:07:54 That was one of my first awakenings, sort of, was COVID. That kind of like- Mm... struck... Things didn't make sense. I'm a very critical thinker, like, "Okay, I understand this, but how does this make sense? 2:08:04 You have to wear a mask when you're walking in the restaurant, but then when you sit down you can take it off and eat? Same thing for the plane?" Doesn't make sense. "So the germs just take a break?" Right. 2:08:13 That just doesn't make... Some things- Yeah... not making sense to me. Yeah. 2:08:16 Walmart can be open, and it's a huge store, but a tiny store that can do one person at a time can't just do one person at a time social distancing? Right. Screw things up. Right. You get it? 2:08:26 And so- Math, math ain't mathing... um, that's another thing, and so I started talking about the stuff. And when I talk about the MPC syndrome, man, the people- Mm... fuming at the head. "You're out of your mind. 2:08:37 You're killing everyone." Yeah. "Da, da, da, da, da, da. I'm blocking you. Don't follow Zack. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah." Oh, my gosh. And I lost a lot of people right then and there who- Yeah... 2:08:46 I had great friendships with, right? Mm. And so that's kind of a f- if you, now I'm at the point where I am free- I'm free, baby. I don't care what you think. I don't... 2:08:58 A lot of my friends are the people I'm building with. I don't, I don't... You know, I have some friends still, but it keeps evolving- Yeah... because I keep evolving. Right. 2:09:07 Who I was in college five, six, seven years ago maybe. What was that, 2018? Yeah, 2018. Wow. I am completely different person. Yeah. So it's totally different. That me is totally different. 2:09:20 The, the version of me who was at mom's house, totally different today. Mm. New belief system because I'm nonstop learning. 2:09:26 And everything you learn, a lot of facts seem to be, you know, constants and they're pillars in your life until you learn new information that contradicts it, and it makes your belief evolve. Mm. 2:09:38 Maybe you believed this until you learn this, and it forced you to evaluate and change your belief, and that changes who you are. 2:09:45 And I think now, you know, whoever I'm resonating with today, that's one level, but if I get crazier, I might turn off even the current level to, to reach a new level. That's okay. That's the game of life. 2:09:55 Constantly evolut- um, evolving and whoever's your... Whoever resonates with you will, you'll be really in tune with and you'll deeply connect with, you know? Yeah. 2:10:06 Yeah, I do know, and I'm just, like, I'm, I'm m- really enjoying what we've talked about so far, Zach. I feel like we're kinda getting towards a close. I do have a few more questions. Sure, yeah. 2:10:17 Because we've been going on for a little over two hours, which- Dude, it's all good. It's all good. Whenever- It's amazing. It's ama- Yeah... I'm like, man, how long are me and this guy go? 2:10:25 Dude, I c- I've gone for hours before, but it doesn't need to be a- Oh, dude... it doesn't need to be a 10-hour thing. No, no. Oh, no. Whenever you're ready, I'm, I'm cool with it, you know? 2:10:32 Uh, like I said, I'm, I'm- No. No, you're good... I, I'm passionate, right? [laughs] I can tell. At least I'm passionate. I can tell. I can tell. When you're passionate, you have a well of energy that never dies. Energy. 2:10:42 It's, it's- I notice that... um, I don't wanna get political, but I will give credit because Trump has this. He does. People hate Trump. Doesn't matter who you like, who you love. Don't even say, "I love him." 2:10:50 I'm saying that he undeniably has this trait- Mm... where he is an infinite well of energy, and he's super old. A lot of it's mindset. He says- Mm-hmm... "Oh, I was talking to this elderly woman." He's elderly. 2:11:02 He's 80-something or n- 79. He's elderly, but he doesn't see himself as elderly. He sees them as elderly. Mm. Mindset, um, passion. He has a fire for life, and so he, infinite energy at an old age. 2:11:14 And- Gotta give him credit for that... that's true, and I've also heard... I've never met him in real life, but Scott Adams, we can go back to him. Yeah, no. He met, he met Trump in real life. 2:11:23 He met him at the White House. Mm. He tells about his experience, and what he says is so impactful. I'm gonna impart it to you today. Yeah, please. 2:11:31 But when Trump looks you in the eye, you're the only other person in the room. Mm. Obviously. Mm. He's like your best friend. He takes time. He asks you questions. He is a natural storyteller. 2:11:44 He will tell you just basically not just about his life, but, like, how impactful you have been to him. Mm-hmm. You see what I'm saying? Yeah. He is a world-class marketer, bro. Yes. Like, this guy, man. He is. He is. 2:11:57 He... And, and he's just, like, so intentional. And Scott just was like, after his time at the White House, you know. Like, he loved Trump to begin with even before. Yeah. 2:12:05 He was one of the few predictors that predicted he would be the president back in the r- during his first term. Yeah. Like, he was one of the first ones to call it out, basically. 2:12:13 He's, like, the master predictor, and that he talks about in his whole persuasion book he came out with. But- Oh... all, all to say that, yeah, I'll, I'll definitely shoot it to you later, but it's just- Mm... 2:12:23 it, it reminds me of, like, why we do what we do, too, because Trump... Y- you know how... I, I feel like there's two different types of people, right? Mm. There's people that like things, right? You can tell. 2:12:32 They, they, they're all about the things, but then there's people that are really into other people, right? Right. Trump is one of those pe- he's into people. Right. He wants to be there. He wants to listen to you. 2:12:44 I feel like you're a people person. Absolutely. I'm a people person. 100%. We are two people. I don't do what I do for things at all. It's bigger vision. It is. And people are a huge part of it. Exactly. Im- impact. 2:12:54 Impact, right? Impact. Impact. Most amazing, great marketers, they are people-people. You know, people-persons, essentially. Mm-hmm. Right? They are so into what people are doing. 2:13:04 They want to find, um, the problem that they can solve for this person, and they want to go next level with them, and that's, that's basically... 2:13:14 That, that's Trump in a nutshell and, like, what he firmly believes what he's doing is for the people, right? Right. So, um, I'm, I'm really... Yeah, I love that energy, and I think that's how he finds his energy. 2:13:26 And the people that he connects with, you see a- along the, his journey and all that he's around. And his mindset, coming back to mindset, coming back to self, I'm sure he's had decades of self-development, you know? 2:13:37 And it's like... A- and he's got that, you know, um, and 'cause he's, like, that, that much older than us, right? He's had that experience, I guess, is what I'm saying. 2:13:46 And it's like having that lifelong experience, you can really impact someone in such a huge way, you know, and have such a big difference. And I feel like... 2:13:58 And this was something I wanted to go back to before we end, too, about Grant Cardone. Mm. It wasn't Grant, but I, I heard an amazing interview from Unscripted. 2:14:06 I don't know if you know Leslie at all, but she's a huge YouTube influencer. She's part of Crypto Empress and what they're doing, whatever. I know Crypto Empress. Yes. Yeah. I know Crypto Empress. 2:14:14 I'm trying to know Leslie. So she's part of the... Yeah, Leslie's part of her tribe, essentially, right? So anyway, she sat down with Gary Cardone, so his brother. Ah. 2:14:23 Yeah, he's the more cr- he was the one who put Grant onto crypto, actually. That's right. Yeah. That brother. Yeah, his brother. But, yes. But Gary's interview I thought was very impactful- Mm... 2:14:32 because, um, he talked about... He didn't really c- you know, he didn't talk about anything about crypto. He's out of the game. He, he's all about art now. He's, like, painting shit and everything. Really? 2:14:40 He's a painter now. He's got tons of paintings now, and he doesn't even sell them. Dude. He just does it because he wants to do it. Like, a- and, and, and you really should listen to that interview. 2:14:48 I'll shoot it over to you later because- Okay... um, it, it was all on livestream. It's all live. 2:14:52 You know, it, it's not pre-taped like we're doing here, but it's like Leslie was asking these really thoughtful questions, and she's a great interviewer in her own right. 2:14:59 I'm actually gonna be a guest on her podcast, which I'm- Heyo... really excited about next month, bro. Let's go. I know, bro. I'm so pumped. Big shout to Leslie. All right, anyways [laughs] Yes. 2:15:10 Um, all that to say she was interviewing, you know, um, um, Gary. And so what Gary said I thought was really interesting about being a media personality. All right? 2:15:22 And I think this is something we can both take away since we're kind of both doing this in a, in a lot of ways. 2:15:27 But he said more than anything, right, become an expert, whatever you're doing, your, whatever your dream is- Mm-hmm... but being consistent. Mm-hmm. Right? And finding your consistency with your own voice. 2:15:38 'Cause that is what it- will separate you from everyone else. You will not only be relatable, but you will be authentic, right? 2:15:46 And this, this authenticity, as long as you stay consistent, this is why I know we're both gonna make it, bro. Because- Let's go... we get this, bro. 2:15:55 All we have to do is continue to show up, continue to serve others, and continue to solve problems- Ooh... that people have. Listen. Yeah. You see what I'm saying? Yes. 2:16:04 Because it's the problem solvers that, you know, it's not, it, it, that- The key right there... exact- that is key, right? Because it's not like, oh, where's the money, right? It's like chasing after money all like, no. 2:16:14 It's like great marketing is how you solve these problems for others, and you ke- consistently keep showing up for them. So to say all that, how are you solving people's problems today, Zach? Okay. Wow. Good. All right. 2:16:29 So you sparked a few thoughts that I wanna- Awesome. Love it... I wanna hit on, and then I'll definitely hit the solving problems. So two great thoughts. Love it. Here's a great deep one. 2:16:37 These are the kind of conversations I like to have, and I think you can wavelength with me on this. Love it. I have no one to talk about this kind of stuff with, okay? What I'm about to hit you with. With me now, bro. 2:16:45 Let's go. [laughs] As you just made the, the, brought it to my attention- Mm... I have made an observation, it was even kind of like even more clear now, is that a lot of people go into life and have big success. Mm-hmm. 2:16:57 Sometimes it's finance. What comes after finance? Oftentimes it's purpose. And then even after the purpose, there's another step that comes in the, in the hierarchy of human desires and wants, right? 2:17:07 Everyone starts with money 'cause it's the most easy thing. I have noticed a lot of greats or a lot of big-time people have gone over time to art. Art and music- Mm... 2:17:21 if you go at a dumbed down level and you're evaluating Earth as a whole, they are two of the most influential, expressive- Wow... powerful things on Earth. And the one that I'm actually more drawn to right now is music. 2:17:36 And later, already in my life, my dad was very into music. He played piano. He had a dream for that. And, um- Cool... 2:17:43 I, one thing on my list right now is like I really, I was never a good dancer, never a good singer, but I'd love to learn piano. 2:17:49 I'm very attract- I used to be into like rap and everything, and now it's like Mozart, Beethoven, like I'm, I'm attracted to it. Wow. And this is a high IQ thing. 2:17:59 I'm attracted to, uh, Vienna, Austria and the, and the operas and the, um, all that stuff. Like Jim Carrey's another example. 2:18:06 Jim Carrey, comedian, conquered the world, get the Grammys, get the Golden Globes, and now he, for years, after his awakening, by the way. Mm-hmm. 2:18:15 I would bet Gary Cardone has had a quiet awakening that he didn't tell anyone about, didn't project. Mm. Right. 'Cause this is what happens after. You realize the deeper meaning of life- Hmm... 2:18:24 and, like, expression and art. Art and music are huge on this Earth. And, and music for me, I can see coming into my life later, l- more. Mm. But I thought that was cool. Interesting. I've- Mm-hmm... 2:18:36 they aren't the only two. A lot turn to art later in life after they- Facts... they make it. Huh. That was thought number one. Thought number two was you talked about purpose and solving problems. 2:18:47 I don't hear a lot of people talk about that- Hmm... because maybe that's a creator thing. Most people are looking for, like, how can I make money? 2:18:54 And even the people who are doing the Amazon stores and the drop shipping and still making money, they don't really talk about solving problems. They just talk about a system to get rich and make money, right? Hmm. 2:19:04 Print money. That's what I see. But it's interesting that you said that, 'cause what I tell people is, "What's your dream?" In the, in the hierarchy of dreaming, most people's dreams start with physical things. 2:19:15 I want a mansion. I wanna take care of my family. I wanna spend more times with my kids. Valid. But as you do the self work and you find your purpose, your big dream encompasses it is a mutually beneficial exchange. 2:19:29 The biggest dreamers in the world have a mutually beneficial exchange. 2:19:32 And if you solve enough problems of the world and you pick a big enough solution to problems, as a after effect of serving the world, you will have everything you ever wanted and needed. You, the riches will find you. 2:19:44 Just ask, uh, Jeff Bezos, who gives overnight shipping. It's a convenience. It's one click. He did us a service. He deserves... I'm not, "Oh, screw the billionaires." He deserves it. Yeah. He deserves it. 2:19:57 Innovator, visionary. How about Elon Musk? Same thing, man. He saw an opportunity. He made it cool, and it's cool to maybe have a car that's self-driving, that has falcon doors on it. That's cool. That is serving people. 2:20:13 And so the thing that I'm very proud of is that I used to say back then, it was just, "I wanna be a billionaire someday." That's all I had, the money, and then I said, "How? How?" 2:20:23 And then later I learned and developed, I gotta be in service somehow, and that's the ultimate trade that will get me there. 2:20:29 And so I found a way where I can get everything I want by making the world a great place, inspiring, uplifting. And so that's a segue into how do I solve problems, right? 2:20:40 This is something that I've hammered in and that I'm on fire for life for, and which is so amazing. At layer one of Dream Cat today, it's simple and twofold. 2:20:52 The first way is my pitch to you is if I'm not gonna be selling the token and I'm not gonna be, you know, capitalizing on you that way, what's the point of all my efforts? I'm transparent. I'm honest. 2:21:02 Just like you said, I put it all out. I said, "Listen, it's a perfectly fair trade." Mm-hmm. My goal is to build a brand, is to build a community- Hmm... of like-minded people who have and chase their dreams. 2:21:14 This is what I want And that's what I'm getting. 2:21:16 And if you help me by making content, making edits, and share it out, I will do my part to put energy and attention on this vehicle that can build something huge, a huge entity in the world by promoting it using massive action. 2:21:31 And so we are both winning because you can sell your token if you want. The sooner you believe, the more you create, you can impact the heights of how big this goes. A fair trade. 2:21:42 The second part is that is throw money away. 2:21:44 Don't even buy our token, but still come to the Dream community and change your life because we are educating and teaching the lessons of success that will allow you to navigate this Web3 journey, because they still apply in Web3, and in your life. 2:21:59 And we give them away for free. All you have to do is tap in and have the interest. And so today, those are the problems that I solve. You know, people say, "I want more money." Let's teach about the laws. 2:22:08 Let's teach about the law of assumption, Neville Goddard. Let's teach about how everything was, is within. Let's teach about the power of belief and brainwashing. 2:22:15 You need all these blocks to the puzzle, pieces to the puzzle. So today, that's how I solve problems. 2:22:22 And my biggest endeavor, without saying it exactly, the, the way that I wanna help shape the world is I see myself as a vehicle for the, for the dreamer. 2:22:33 I will be a catalyst and influence to inspire millions of people, um, through imagination, through Christmas, which is a very good vehicle, my favorite holiday, a holiday associated with joy- Right... 2:22:49 a time of possibility, a time of, uh, happiness. I love everything about it. Yeah. It's, it's one of my big passions. Love it. 2:22:56 So I will use that vehicle as well as inspiration and some of these tools on a grand stage to bring people joy, tap them into imagination, tap them into wonder and dreaming. 2:23:10 And so it all serves, and in the process I'll get exact what I want. I'll spend my entire life not working a job I hate as a, a car insurance salesman or something I don't care about- Right... 2:23:20 but tying all my dreams together, my passion for dreams, animation, imagination, my passion for Christmas, my passion for self-help, and it is a triangle that is connected, converging into one big dream. 2:23:34 Oh, my gosh, that's incredible. You are such an inspiration, Z- Zach. I really appreciate your time. Seriously, you are- [laughs] You're be- Man, you made my morning. Like, seriously, man. I'm glad, bro. Yeah. 2:23:46 You're, you're incredible. You made my morning. I absolutely love our conversation here today. 2:23:49 Where can people find you if they wanna learn more about achieving their dreams, getting to the bigger dream that they want in their own life? Where can they, where can they find DreamCat? Yes. Um, we live on X mainly. 2:24:03 So, so the... I, I have two Xs, but the main one would just be DreamCatSolana on X. That'd be the main one. And then the websites, if you wanna find all of this, right? 2:24:13 If you wanna find the Tony Robbins story or, or the story about how I wrote my book or how I met this person, I share all the stories. The way I set my website up is it's one big journey of becoming, right? 2:24:23 So I document each year. So that's zachkrupp.com, my name, first and last. And then if you wanna know more about DreamCat, dreamcat.xyz, and they're both interconnected. 2:24:34 So you can find everything and, and check it out and tap in or learn something or whatever. Maybe we'll become friends, you know, do something together. Uh, I welcome it. 2:24:43 If you're like-minded, I mean, man, I, um, I get a kick... One of my things that I'm proud of that, um, you know, it's not just about some selfish underlying, you know, play to get rich off of people, no. 2:24:56 I can't help it. I wanna see you win, fam. I do. I really do. Aw. I get enjoyment and pleasure- Yeah... out of seeing other people win, uncover the greatness within. 2:25:08 Because if you're a soul, again, you have a purpose, and I wanna help you find it. I wanna help you align with your dream, and then I wanna chase it together. 2:25:15 I'm here becoming each day in the telegram on X, and I'm documenting the journey, and I'm gonna do it. So if you're a dreamer like me, my invitation is, hey, you can be a part of this. 2:25:24 You, your dream can be a part of this dream 'cause you're a dreamer. 2:25:28 And, and while you're talking about the pursuits and the hardships, man, you can just put, "Chasing my dream," ticker dream, and pump your bags while you're chasing your big vision and dream, right? Right. 2:25:39 Isn't that, like, a good, like, a solid... Doesn't that make sense? It's huge. Come on. I love it. Yes. Why wouldn't anyone be on this? That's what we do. Seriously, man. Niche communities. 2:25:47 That's- That's the power of crypto. So thanks. Dude, thanks for having me on. Aw, thank you. A, a, a place to share some of my story- Yeah... share some of your ideas. It's great. Have a great conversation. 2:25:57 I live for it. I really do. Yeah. Me too. It brings me joy. Me too. Yeah. So thank you again. I appreciate you, Zach, and, uh, we'll see you next time, fam. Thank you. [laughs] We'll catch you, brother. Take care. 2:26:06 Thank you.
